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re: Trump’s Tax Cuts Would Add $24.5 Trillion to the Debt

Posted on 1/23/16 at 1:45 pm to
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 1:45 pm to
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Is this similar to the trickle down economics that worked so well before?


Although trickle down economics(also called Reaganomics) is a vague term, in theory it does work. See economy post Reagan, it was booming.
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 1:55 pm to
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His plan, while not perfect, gets rid of itemized deductions and depends on increased taxable monies. The horrible article makes a bunch of horrible assumptions and doesnt account for that.

FTR, I am not a trump fan


I don't understand why dems never account for growth. The business model is of expansion, you cut taxes majority of businesses will expand (hire more people). Less unemployed, more paying taxes.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 2:00 pm to
While I'm not a dem but I can tell you growth is not an unlimited thing. It requires more of every resource and creates more waste and pollution. The only thing that grows forever is cancer.
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 2:03 pm to
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While I'm not a dem but I can tell you growth is not an unlimited thing. It requires more of every resource and creates more waste and pollution. The only thing that grows forever is cancer.


Lol up voted btw. If we stay on this track our national debt will forever increase, we have a desperate need for radical growth.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 2:13 pm to
Republican shitheaads up in this thread
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 2:22 pm to
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Republican shitheaads up in this thread



I'm your huckleberry.

Why am I Republican? I think there should be limited hand outs. I think lower taxes stimulates growth. I think liberals are pc vaginas who are closing in on taking away our freedom of speech. I think I have the right to defend myself. I think the Constitution should be upheld.

Lot more but I'll stop there.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 2:50 pm to
I was being sarcastic. Keep going.


Other than gay marriage and marijuana prohibition I agree with the republican platform. They shouldn't allow government to get involved in marriage or whatever plant I choose to smoke in my own home.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 2:52 pm
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 3:07 pm to
Sooooo you're saying you will vote Democrat, even though you agree with all those things excluding social issues?

It's truly a question btw, nit implying anything.

Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 3:25 pm to
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Sooooo you're saying you will vote Democrat, even though you agree with all those things excluding social issues?




i think there are a lot more republicans (i use that term loosely... maybe economic libertarians) in the world than know that they are.

Morons on the GOP side can't get past the fact that gay marriage and drugs are here or are coming.

But neither can the people who won't vote that way because the party doesn't support those two things despite supporting 90% of their other beliefs.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 3:26 pm to
reality is indeed a bitch
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 3:53 pm to
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i think there are a lot more republicans (i use that term loosely... maybe economic libertarians) in the world than know that they are.

Morons on the GOP side can't get past the fact that gay marriage and drugs are here or are coming.

But neither can the people who won't vote that way because the party doesn't support those two things despite supporting 90% of their other beliefs.



Well, personally I think homosexuality is a mental issue and/or a choice, which both are fine (maybe not the mental issue part but whatever) . I'm not educated on the issue, but it's against natural logic so that's where I find my opinion. Saying that, I can't tell people what to do.

Secondly, drugs are such a fine line, I think if a state wants to legalize Marijuana fine. But if a privately owned company wants to drug test and fail one because of Marijuana, that's there right, and I agree with that as well.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:15 pm to
How much will military spending be cut under the Trump plan?

I bet little to none because "small government conservatives" really are only opposed to some types of government. Feeding the poor is bad but building a new fleet of nuclear bombers that we wont ever use is
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 4:16 pm
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 4:39 pm to
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How much will military spending be cut under the Trump plan?

I bet little to none because "small government conservatives" really are only opposed to some types of government. Feeding the poor is bad but building a new fleet of nuclear bombers that we wont ever use is


You're obviously ignorant. We don't think feeding the poor is bad, we think people on lifelong welfare and food stamps has got to stop. Fact is a big majority of people on handouts are manipulating the system. Which falls into the cutting taxes will create more jobs, provoke entrepreneurs, and therefore decrease unemployment and poverty.

Making welfare and food stamps for able-bodied people who don't want to work more difficult to receive is another part, drug testing, community service all needs to be a part of this program.

O and btw, most Christians are Republicans, and most soup kitchens are funded by... You guessed it Christians.

So congratulations, you are a ignorant sheeple who listens to what daddy Obama tells you.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 4:42 pm
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:28 pm to
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Trump’s Tax Cuts Would Add $24.5 Trillion to the Debt
I hate Trump. But debt is created by spending too much money.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/23/16 at 11:34 pm to
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bet little to none because "small government conservatives" really are only opposed to some types of government.



Straight up bullshite, and quite frankly, it's a false narrative that's boring at this point.
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5128 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 1:17 am to
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steep cuts in spending and entitlement programs,


No one should be entitled to a damn thing unless you are contributing to society.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 8:50 am to
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it's not semantics in the least.

if i make 10k a month, have 500k in debt and have to spend 6k to keep the doors open then that's the status quo. it's a crappy status quo, but it is what is is.

if i start making 7k a month, that doesn't mean my debt and expenditures every month went up. it just means i have less money to pay off the 500k. to say it adds to the debt is a lie.



But that is an a dishonest example

It goes more like this in reality

We take in 10,000 a month and 6k needs to go pay debt, the only issue is our overhead is 20,000 per month so we not only barely pay the note we add 10,000 of debt per month.

Lowering income by 1,000 essentially adds 1,000 of debt per month.


your statement would only be correct if the budget was balanced or in the black.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 11:16 am to
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we think people on lifelong welfare and food stamps has got to stop.
Cool. Let's raise the full time minimum wage to $12, make full employment mandatory, and eliminate welfare. Problem solved.
This post was edited on 1/24/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted by WheelRoute
Washington, D.C.
Member since Oct 2013
1811 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 3:46 pm to
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I don't understand why dems never account for growth.


Odd statement. Most tax plans are CBO scored and that office does three growth projections on any bill sent to them. The CBO is also non-partisan so even if they didn't do growth projections it wouldn't be democrats not accounting for growth. If you're referring to non-CBO assessments of growth, I can't say I've ever seen left leaning economists fail to account for growth in assessing tax plans.

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we think people on lifelong welfare and food stamps has got to stop


This doesn't exist.

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You're obviously ignorant.


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So congratulations, you are a ignorant sheeple who listens to what daddy Obama tells you.


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Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111519 posts
Posted on 1/24/16 at 10:51 pm to
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The point being, simpleton, that 20 years does not buy itself make something meaningless. That's nearly 1 trillion a year since you seem to be having trouble doing the math.


20 years of a projected budget from a hypothetical plan for a president who will serve at most 8 years, (if he's ever even elected) is indeed nonsense. If they'd have used 10 years, I'd be far more interested.

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you type these words

Then stop saying dumb stuff. It's not that hard. You went for a cheap response and failed with a bad analogy.
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