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re: The VA Scandal
Posted on 5/17/14 at 9:31 am to 3nOut
Posted on 5/17/14 at 9:31 am to 3nOut
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Spleen's ridiculous goalie attempt aside, the majority on here are willing to listen to some civility.
As you said, he's usually better than this. I guess he's been hanging out with Gerald (Rex) lately.
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Posted on 5/17/14 at 9:49 am to Duke
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It's hard to take seriously. Is this Benghazi level rage? Fast and Furious? IRS? Other manufactured scandal?
The fact you think any of those are manufactured scandals makes me take you much less seriously.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 11:49 am to The Spleen
I have yet to see in my lifetime a President, or his cabinet, truly make a legitimate commitment to Veteran Affairs. I don't give a frick who has been in office.
They should all be embarrassed that it's taken this long for anyone to make a stink about it.
They should all be embarrassed that it's taken this long for anyone to make a stink about it.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 12:05 pm to the808bass
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The fact you think any of those are manufactured scandals makes me take you much less seriously.
I'm a raging right wing nutjob and think fast and furious and Beng. were screwups at best and political CYA at worst( F&F may have the gun control element behind it, but that's right wing conjecture speaking.) Both suck that lives we're lost, but not the worst controversy in the last 4 administrations.
The IRS targeting a should scare the heck out of each and every one of you. That the government would scrutinize a party based on political leaning. Flip the script and those on the left would absolutely outraged beyond Nixonian levels.
This post was edited on 5/17/14 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/17/14 at 12:24 pm to 3nOut
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Both suck that lives we're lost, but not the worst controversy in the last 4 administrations.
I agree with this.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 1:34 pm to 3nOut
For me, the F&F is on par with the IRS and spying on media scandals and above Benghazi.
I believe Benghazi was the result of basic ineptitude and incompetency. They major issue with it, is the coverup.
F&F, I believe was another attempt by the DoJ and ATF, to push more gun control and using illegal means to do so, by pushing weapons into the hands of criminals. This resulted in dozens of deaths. Most just happened in Mexico. Weapons are still being found at crime scenes today though, in Arizona and Nevada. And the coverup of this, on top of it makes it as bad as the IRS scandals. It was illegal activity being done, in the pursuit of creating more restrictions on a Constitutional Right. Holder took a page out of his mentors (Janet Reno) handbook.
I believe Benghazi was the result of basic ineptitude and incompetency. They major issue with it, is the coverup.
F&F, I believe was another attempt by the DoJ and ATF, to push more gun control and using illegal means to do so, by pushing weapons into the hands of criminals. This resulted in dozens of deaths. Most just happened in Mexico. Weapons are still being found at crime scenes today though, in Arizona and Nevada. And the coverup of this, on top of it makes it as bad as the IRS scandals. It was illegal activity being done, in the pursuit of creating more restrictions on a Constitutional Right. Holder took a page out of his mentors (Janet Reno) handbook.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 1:46 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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You make a good point, but on the other hand, shut up.
Oh you.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 1:49 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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I'm sure the same consideration is extended to a Republican president when he is in office...
So two wrongs make a right?
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:04 pm to the808bass
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The fact you think any of those are manufactured scandals makes me take you much less seriously.
Oh please. I wasn't exacting enough in.my language because the IRS is scandal worthy.
IRS, worth looking into but little has been proven. No one wants the POTUS to use the IRS as a political tool. Have we been able to prove any significant wrong doing?
Benghazi has been manufactured political outrage almost from go. There's a question worth exploring in the lack of security leading up to it, but after that it doesn't matter. The constant beating of this drum is nothing but red meat for the partisans. Find evidence of Hillary ignoring the security concernd, and you may have a story. In two years there's nothing more than more conjecture. The only reason the right is outraged is the Democrats in office.
The right has been throwing shite against the wall hoping it would stick for the entirety of the Obama administration. It's hard to take any of it seriously until you can show some rock solid evidence. I'm right there with you if you can prove any of it.
Give me a proper scandal (like this VA shite appears to be) and I won't think the right is just angry at their sour grapes.
This post was edited on 5/17/14 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:08 pm to Duke
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The right has been throwing shite against the wall hoping it would stick for the entirety of the Obama administration. It's hard to take any of it seriously until you can show some rock solid evidence. I'm right there with you if you can prove any of it.
To be fair, they've had a helluva time getting documents and evidence, because of the refusal to release documents. Going so far as to be held in contempt by oversight committees. Perhaps if they were abiding by the law, you would have that evidence by now.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:12 pm to Duke
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IRS, worth looking into but little has been proven. No one wants the POTUS to use the IRS as a political tool. Have we been able to prove any significant wrong doing?
On the part of the white house? No. And as much as I dislike Obama, I don't think he was involved. BUT, there are Democratic senators involved, many of whom asked the IRS to target these groups and that has been proven. There's lots more, but I'm hungover and don't want to get into it at the moment, but this is not a manufactured scandal, it's a very big deal.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:14 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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there are Democratic senators involved, many of whom asked the IRS to target these groups and that has been proven.
They should be hung by their balls/ladyballs. I want to be on record saying that.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:18 pm to Alahunter
Hunter,
I'm ok with the right is digging as deep as they can. I'm going to call them delusional, but I'll make a thread here admitting my wrongness if there is something rotten at the core here. I'll make it epic too with bitches in bikinis, drugs, and eagle boners. That's my promise to you.
I'm ok with the right is digging as deep as they can. I'm going to call them delusional, but I'll make a thread here admitting my wrongness if there is something rotten at the core here. I'll make it epic too with bitches in bikinis, drugs, and eagle boners. That's my promise to you.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:24 pm to Duke
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They should be hung by their balls/ladyballs. I want to be on record saying that.
Better get a strong rope, appears that Mary Landfill sent some emails to the IRS.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:31 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Steel cables it is then!
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:39 pm to the808bass
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The fact you think any of those are manufactured scandals makes me take you much less seriously.
Those are manufactured, though. Very few of those were Presidential Problems -- nothing like 9/11 or the debacle of Iraq. President Obama had very little (at the moment) to do with -any- of those. Fast and Furious has been in the making for over a decade, IRS has a very lucid targeting algorithim that just happened to get more conservative groups than progressives and Benghazi, at worst, was a regional problem and as stated had nothing to do with upper echelon.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:42 pm to Duke
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Benghazi has been manufactured political outrage almost from go.
What was Stevens doing in Benghazi? It's not the capital.
I'm glad you asked.
He was trying to recover arms from the "freedom fighters" that we had supplied to them. But that's probably not a big deal either.
Posted on 5/17/14 at 2:44 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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IRS has a very lucid targeting algorithim that just happened to get more conservative groups than progressives
You're not paying attention to the evidence. You have multiple Senators (all with Ds after their names) asking and directing the IRS how to target Tea Partiers. That's not an "algorithm."
Posted on 5/17/14 at 10:01 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Those are manufactured, though. Very few of those were Presidential Problems -- nothing like 9/11 or the debacle of Iraq. President Obama had very little (at the moment) to do with -any- of those. Fast and Furious has been in the making for over a decade, IRS has a very lucid targeting algorithim that just happened to get more conservative groups than progressives and Benghazi, at worst, was a regional problem and as stated had nothing to do with upper echelon.
A true believer
Posted on 5/18/14 at 5:16 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Those are manufactured, though. Very few of those were Presidential Problems -- nothing like 9/11 or the debacle of Iraq. President Obama had very little (at the moment) to do with -any- of those. Fast and Furious has been in the making for over a decade, IRS has a very lucid targeting algorithim that just happened to get more conservative groups than progressives and Benghazi, at worst, was a regional problem and as stated had nothing to do with upper echelon.
So, Watergate was just a minor burglary?
So, Watergate was just a minor burglary?
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