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Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:43 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:43 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Honestly, I've become immune to most of the BS in DC. I've resigned to the fact that they're all the same. Every once in a while a particular issue strikes close to home and I get bothered by it. This is one of those issues.
And sorry I won't be objective on this. Their outrage is justified, but again forgive me if I call them out on not doing anything about the problem when they had the chance a few months ago. And again, it wouldn't have prevented this current scandal, but it would at least give them a little more moral footing to stand on. They're spineless, chicken shite assholes. God forbid they have a close family member they send to war only to come home to a system not equipped to handle their war injuries. frick them all. I hope they get voted out of office, but I know this country is too fricking stupid to do that.
Yes, I'm mad.
And sorry I won't be objective on this. Their outrage is justified, but again forgive me if I call them out on not doing anything about the problem when they had the chance a few months ago. And again, it wouldn't have prevented this current scandal, but it would at least give them a little more moral footing to stand on. They're spineless, chicken shite assholes. God forbid they have a close family member they send to war only to come home to a system not equipped to handle their war injuries. frick them all. I hope they get voted out of office, but I know this country is too fricking stupid to do that.
Yes, I'm mad.
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:43 pm to SpartyGator
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To be fair, they aren't any different than democrats in DC
Very true.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:55 pm to The Spleen
frick you Mitch McConnell. I hope you get hit in the face with a bucket of AIDS. Did you treat it seriously when you had the chance to fund the VA? No you wanted to tie an amendment to ratchet up Iran sanctions.
frick you Richard Burr. Why did you fail to act sooner when you had the chance to in February?
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Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell made similar remarks on the Senate floor.
"My concern is that the Obama administration will treat this scandal like it does all the others, like a political crisis to get past rather than a serious problem to be solved," he said, adding that "if the president is truly serious, he needs to treat these stories at least as seriously as he did the ObamaCare website fiasco."
frick you Richard Burr. Why did you fail to act sooner when you had the chance to in February?
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Republican Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina questioned why Shinseki, who has been Obama's only veterans affairs secretary, failed to act sooner on problems long cited by veterans, the U.S. Government Accountability Office and others.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:55 pm to SpartyGator
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Republicans
To be fair, they aren't any different than democrats in DC
Agreed. Very few break the mold from the Dems. And those that are, get demonized as racist, homophobes by the press, the Dems and the establishment Rep's in their own ranks. Part of me wishes Dems would just take supermajorities in both the House, Senate and Hillary wins the election. I'm about ready for a scorched earth approach and to let it all just burn to the ground.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:57 pm to The Spleen
Such faux outrage.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:02 pm to The Spleen
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Yes, I'm mad.
Irrationally so.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:02 pm to The Spleen
So, uh, cliffs anyone?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:05 pm to PrivatePublic
On this thread or the VA scandal?
This thread:
Spleen - It's the Republicans' fault after the fact.
On the scandal, not really cliffs but..
Shinseki told the Senate panel he “can’t remember” getting warnings from federal watchdogs last fall about ghost clinics and double-scheduling schemes. He said he was “not aware” of explosive book-cooking allegations like the ones at a Fort Collins, Colo., VA facility, where employees were ordered to make their records show that veterans got appointments within 14 days of the day requested, whether or not it was true.
In response to bipartisan disgust with the VA’s serial incompetence and fatally long wait times, oblivious Shinseki blathered about “customer satisfaction surveys.” And when it came time to deliver his calculated sound bite about being “mad as hell” at mounting allegations of criminal fraud and neglect, Shinseki’s perfunctory tone echoed a jaded 411 operator: “City and state, please?”
Asked whether VA employees who alter records should be fired, Shinseki’s deputy Robert Petzel said he didn’t know “whether that’s the appropriate level of punishment.” Shinseki interjected that a whopping 3,000 VA workers, including senior managers, had been “involuntarily removed” for misconduct last year — only to admit that an unknown number of those had simply been reassigned or allowed to retire.
In true paper-pusher form, the VA’s top brass have ordered yet another study to assess how and why the VA ignored years of other studies, reports and audits of the department’s waste, fraud and abuse. Showing even more tone-deafness, Shinseki bragged openly about his close friendship with top White House aide Rob Nabors, who is now overseeing the kabuki “review” of his department’s failures.
Pressed on why he hadn’t reported illegal data falsification to the FBI, Shinseki demurred that it was the inspector general’s call, not his.
In other words: The buck stops somewhere else.
Attorney General Eric Holder hid behind the VA inspector general, too. There are no plans for a DoJ probe into the secret waiting lists at the Phoenix VA hospital, where scores of sick vets languished for months before perishing.
This thread:
Spleen - It's the Republicans' fault after the fact.
On the scandal, not really cliffs but..
Shinseki told the Senate panel he “can’t remember” getting warnings from federal watchdogs last fall about ghost clinics and double-scheduling schemes. He said he was “not aware” of explosive book-cooking allegations like the ones at a Fort Collins, Colo., VA facility, where employees were ordered to make their records show that veterans got appointments within 14 days of the day requested, whether or not it was true.
In response to bipartisan disgust with the VA’s serial incompetence and fatally long wait times, oblivious Shinseki blathered about “customer satisfaction surveys.” And when it came time to deliver his calculated sound bite about being “mad as hell” at mounting allegations of criminal fraud and neglect, Shinseki’s perfunctory tone echoed a jaded 411 operator: “City and state, please?”
Asked whether VA employees who alter records should be fired, Shinseki’s deputy Robert Petzel said he didn’t know “whether that’s the appropriate level of punishment.” Shinseki interjected that a whopping 3,000 VA workers, including senior managers, had been “involuntarily removed” for misconduct last year — only to admit that an unknown number of those had simply been reassigned or allowed to retire.
In true paper-pusher form, the VA’s top brass have ordered yet another study to assess how and why the VA ignored years of other studies, reports and audits of the department’s waste, fraud and abuse. Showing even more tone-deafness, Shinseki bragged openly about his close friendship with top White House aide Rob Nabors, who is now overseeing the kabuki “review” of his department’s failures.
Pressed on why he hadn’t reported illegal data falsification to the FBI, Shinseki demurred that it was the inspector general’s call, not his.
In other words: The buck stops somewhere else.
Attorney General Eric Holder hid behind the VA inspector general, too. There are no plans for a DoJ probe into the secret waiting lists at the Phoenix VA hospital, where scores of sick vets languished for months before perishing.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:06 pm to PrivatePublic
Republicans are pompous asshats even when they're right. And if they're right, frick them.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:07 pm to PrivatePublic
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So, uh, cliffs anyone?
War mongering Republicans are pieces of shite.
BTW, if anyone wants to think my outrage is "faux" or irrational, a close family friend has been dealing with BS from the VA since he came back from Iraq in 2006.
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:09 pm to The Spleen
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Many people on this board have a close family friend/relative who has been dealing with BS from the VA since he came back from Somewhere in 20XX
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:21 pm to Duke
quote:yes, eh, hell no. palin just needs to go away. She causes more harm than good for the right. I agree though the republicans full on rage mode hurts them in a case where rage is the proper thing.
That being said, if Ted Cruz, Bachmann and Palin lead the lynch mod we should follow them.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:25 pm to The Spleen
I say screw all the politicians. 
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:30 pm to Alahunter
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Why not hold the President's appointee and his staff responsible? And the President himself?
Because that'd be overkill. What in the flying frick to you think Obama has to do with any of this? Do you think he himself can monitor the goings on of hundreds of thousands of federal employees?
Those who are directly in charge of particular programs or VA hospitals will probably be fired after a proper investigation if these allegations are proven true. That's appropriate.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:34 pm to DCRebel
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Those who are directly in charge of particular programs or VA hospitals will probably be fired after a proper investigation if these allegations are proven true
Holder will make sure this isn't done. And the head of the VA, who had announced his retirement earlier, "resigned". Of course, nobody who appoints the clowns should be held accountable for the multiple failures in multiple departments.. that's the Chicago way, and now it's the Washington way.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:39 pm to the808bass
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DC politicians are pompous asshats even when they're right.
FIFY
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:47 pm to Alahunter
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Of course, nobody who appoints the clowns should be held accountable for the multiple failures in multiple departments.. that's the Chicago way, and now it's the Washington way.
It was the Washington when Bush was in office as well. Jim Nicholson was never fired for all the massive screw ups within the VA while he presided over it, and Bush's DOJ never investigated it. They were accused of misclassifying veterans with PTSD as a pre-existing condition so they wouldn't have to pay.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:53 pm to The Spleen
There it is.. "but Bush".
eta - ftr.. it dates to Clinton as well.
eta - ftr.. it dates to Clinton as well.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 5:03 pm to Alahunter
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Holder will make sure this isn't done.
Of course you believe this.
It's all some big conspiracy. Obama and his minions are out to destroy America, yadda yadda etc etc.
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And the head of the VA, who had announced his retirement earlier, "resigned".
Dr. Randy Petzel, the Undersecretary for Health, is not "the head of the VA."
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Of course, nobody who appoints the clowns should be held accountable for the multiple failures in multiple departments.
So should CEOs be fired if their middle management screws up? (Of course it depends on the situation, but you probably see my point.)
Posted on 5/16/14 at 5:07 pm to DCRebel
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So should CEOs be fired if their middle management screws up? (Of course it depends on the situation, but you probably see my point.)
You make a good point, but on the other hand, shut up.
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