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Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:17 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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SEALs are not even the best in the United States, let alone the rest of the world
Just as an addendum and to back up what I said:
The graduation rate between the two are both near 90%, but here's why the Delta Force is better:
The notice states that applicants must be male, in the ranks of E-4 through E-8, have at least two and a half years of service remaining in their enlistment, be 21 years or older, and score high enough on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery test to attend a briefing to be considered for admission. (Protip: There are no 21 year old applicants ever accepted into training for DF.)
Entering training to become a Navy SEAL is voluntary, and officers and enlisted men train side-by-side. To volunteer, SEAL candidates must be male, between 17 and 29 years old, and US citizens in the U.S. Navy.
To be a SEAL, all you need to do is be 17 and have a heartbeat. So the dropout rate is much higher because you can literally join from enlistment.
Conversely, need to be an E4 (although I've never heard of an E4 being accepted into training unless they're insanely talented at something) or at least an NCO. Apples and Oranges.
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:17 pm to genro
What he said
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:18 pm to genro
There are no good guys here.
Justify choosing a side whatever way you need to.
Justify choosing a side whatever way you need to.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:20 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Just as an addendum and to back up what I said:
The graduation rate between the two are both near 90%, but here's why the Delta Force is better:
The notice states that applicants must be male, in the ranks of E-4 through E-8, have at least two and a half years of service remaining in their enlistment, be 21 years or older, and score high enough on the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery test to attend a briefing to be considered for admission. (Protip: There are no 21 year old applicants ever accepted into training for DF.)
Entering training to become a Navy SEAL is voluntary, and officers and enlisted men train side-by-side. To volunteer, SEAL candidates must be male, between 17 and 29 years old, and US citizens in the U.S. Navy.
To be a SEAL, all you need to do is be 17 and have a heartbeat. So the dropout rate is much higher because you can literally join from enlistment.
Conversely, need to be an E4 (although I've never heard of an E4 being accepted into training unless they're insanely talented at something) or at least an NCO. Apples and Oranges.
Just out of curiosity, are the physical requirements the same?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:22 pm to Duke
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There are no good guys here.
Justify choosing a side whatever way you need to.
I pick the ones who don't smash planes into our buildings.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:23 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Forgot about S.A.D., but still. What does Iran have, fricking Camel Corps?
I think it's called Quds Force and they're actually directly responsible for one of the worst attacks on American forces in Iraq.
The attack was perpetrated by "nine to 12 militants posing as an American security team ... [who] traveled in black GMC Suburban vehicles — the type used by U.S. government convoys — had American weapons, wore new U.S. military combat fatigues, and spoke English. This was denied by the surviving soldiers. According to one Iraqi official, the militant team was led by a blond-haired man. The attack occurred as the U.S. military continued preparations to leave. About 30 U.S. troops were inside the compound at the time.
They're nothing to frick with.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:25 pm to Duke
quote:Israel is a free, tolerant, Democratic country in the middle east. Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, homosexuals, etc etc live freely in Israel.
There are no good guys here.
Now tell me what it's like in those other countries around them. You know, for anyone who's not a straight male Muslim. And tell me their about governmental systems, are they also free and democratic?
I happen to believe liberty and freedom and democracy are good things.
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:25 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I pick the ones who don't smash planes into our buildings.
It's a religion of peace frickhead. Jehovah is the real terrorist.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:26 pm to PrivatePublic
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It's a religion of peace
And if you don't believe it, they'll CUT YOUR frickING HEAD OFF
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:28 pm to genro
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live freely in Israel.
Except the Palestinian controlled areas that they completely cut off from trade and practically trap there in poverty with no self determination or possible way to uplift themselves economically.
That's what freedom looks like.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:29 pm to Duke
Sounds like an Indian reservation
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:30 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Just out of curiosity, are the physical requirements the same?
The physical requirements are both strenuous, but their duties are different.
One of the reason SAD recruits heavily from SFOD is because they can operate behind enemy lines autonomously without a team. SEALs never do anything like that without key support.
You're a hardcore sonofabitch either way, but Delta Force are just the best of the best.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:31 pm to OBReb6
Yeah and I'm not here claiming there was anything just in our handling of American Indians
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:31 pm to Duke
quote:Wait. It's Israel's responsibility to prop up and support a part of their country that openly attempts to destroy them? That is technically Israel's sovereign land. They have every right to crush them and take it back. You want me to feel bad about an embargo?
Except the Palestinian controlled areas that they completely cut off from trade and practically trap there in poverty with no self determination or possible way to uplift themselves economically.
That's what freedom looks like.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:33 pm to genro
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One ethnic group contributes huge amounts to our nation's industrial, economic, cultural, and scientific endeavors. The other bombs the shite out of our innocent people.
Interesting point. Is Judaism an ethnicity or a religion? Is Muslim? To me, one thing that makes this conflict such a hot button is that they confuse one with the other, especially the Arab side of the equation. Keep in mind, there are lots and lots of people who practice Islam in the world that aren't ethnic Arabs. And there are plenty of peaceful people from that part of the world who contribute to our economy as physicians, professors and the like.
And there are plenty of Jewish people who aren't ethnically Irsaeli. Or at least, that part of their DNA is dozens or hundreds of generations back.
I think it makes it really difficult for western countries to fully understand conflicts in that part of the world, where they base their fights around "religion". I don't think l religion has a thing to do with it, honestly. I think it's purely cultural.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:34 pm to Duke
They should just build a bunch of casinos in gaza and ship them an unlimited supply of booze. Solve it the American way
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:34 pm to genro
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Israel is a free, tolerant, Democratic country in the middle east. Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, homosexuals, etc etc live freely in Israel.
Now tell me what it's like in those other countries around them. You know, for anyone who's not a straight male Muslim. And tell me their about governmental systems, are they also free and democratic?
I happen to believe liberty and freedom and democracy are good things.
None of this justifies something like 80% civilian casualty rates.
They are either extremely inept or capriciously apathetic. You can't claim moral highground with 80% civilian casualties.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:35 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I have moral high ground.
#claimed
#claimed
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:36 pm to genro
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Wait. It's Israel's responsibility to prop up and support a part of their country that openly attempts to destroy them? That is technically Israel's sovereign land. They have every right to crush them and take it back. You want me to feel bad about an embargo?
So you'd be completely content if China came over and annexed Hawai'i and took all of your shite? What exactly do you expect the Palestinians to do? It was their country and was taken by force.
That doesn't excuse murder, but it's extremely stupid to act like you'd be perfectly content with letting someone come in and take your shite.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 5:37 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Japan has already annexed Hawaii
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