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re: Teen in Georgia killed, officer related shooting
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:29 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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What would their death rate be if they weren't allowed to approach the situations in the manner they do.
What's an acceptable rate of loss of innocent citizens' life to have police on a heightened state of alert on every interaction with citizens?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ending the war on drugs
Nah
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:30 pm to Rebelgator
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Ending the war on drugs
Nah
Done Enough Already huh?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
well ya, ending the WAR on drugs would make it safer for the officers?
Is that where this thread has gone too, I though it was about the way officers approach houses with warrants and the way the approach traffic stops and the like.
Is that where this thread has gone too, I though it was about the way officers approach houses with warrants and the way the approach traffic stops and the like.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:32 pm to Agforlife
That was my guess.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:33 pm to Agforlife
Nope 
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:33 pm to Rebelgator
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Ending the war on drugs
Nah
Too much money in the game for LE
See prohibition. The jails didn't empty like promised, instead they overflowed, homicides went up.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:34 pm to the808bass
I know it's not Bureau of All Things Fabricated And Exaggerated so he must be Forever Bothering Italians
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I agree we have far too many laws.
all sides have a share of the blame in what has become the cop and citizen relationship.
the cops have plenty of tool bags that act like assholes, they also have good ones that are just following orders from the guys above them. The people above the average cop are a problem. The laws overall and the drug laws are a major problem and they make enforcement a huge business. You have the federal gov shoveling funds down here for all kinds of toys that the cops here don't need and shouldn't be allowed near but they aren't going to turn down money from the fed to rape the rights of citizens.
the other problem with the cop citizen relationship is the bad cops aren't punished as often as they should be. the good cops don't speak out often about bad cops needing to be kicked from the force.
I don't see much changing though because the prison system and drug bust are big business. Cops and citizens alike would probably be safer if we loosened up drug laws.
all sides have a share of the blame in what has become the cop and citizen relationship.
the cops have plenty of tool bags that act like assholes, they also have good ones that are just following orders from the guys above them. The people above the average cop are a problem. The laws overall and the drug laws are a major problem and they make enforcement a huge business. You have the federal gov shoveling funds down here for all kinds of toys that the cops here don't need and shouldn't be allowed near but they aren't going to turn down money from the fed to rape the rights of citizens.
the other problem with the cop citizen relationship is the bad cops aren't punished as often as they should be. the good cops don't speak out often about bad cops needing to be kicked from the force.
I don't see much changing though because the prison system and drug bust are big business. Cops and citizens alike would probably be safer if we loosened up drug laws.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:36 pm to Agforlife
quote:Jack booted - check
I know it's not Bureau of All Things Fabricated And Exaggerated
Not busy - check
Maybe Lon Horiuchi?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
yep too much money, the everyday foot officer should be all for it since he would be safer. the higher up officers don't care about officer safety or public safety.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:39 pm to the808bass
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Jack booted
I'm actually wearing bright red Nikes.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:39 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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well ya, ending the WAR on drugs would make it safer for the officers?
What do you think led to the violent crime explosion and militarization of our police force?
Guess what? Many in LE want to end the war on drugs
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Ask yourself this simple question: Has it worked? As most of us can answer from experience: No. The war on drugs has never worked. Today, drugs are cheaper, more potent, and easier to get than they were in 1970 when the war on drugs began. On federal surveys, teenagers consistently report that it’s easier to buy marijuana than alcohol, which is legal and age-regulated. And beyond its failure, the war on drugs has had unintended but devastatingly violent consequences. As with alcohol prohibition, drugs are under the control of bloodthirsty cartels fighting over untaxed profits and killing police and innocent civilians in their crossfire.
The correctional system’s goal of using punishment and rehabilitation in order to protect society from criminals is not well-served by our policy of prohibition. Though any criminal justice professional can tell you that harsh drug laws are not a deterrent, we continue to put people in jail for drug crimes, overcrowding prisons and letting violent criminals go. Instead of supervising high-risk offenders, we find ourselves urine testing non-violent probationers and sending them back to jail when they fail.
Overcrowded prisons are bad for society and a daily threat to many of us. In states like California, prisons have been ordered by courts to reduce populations due to unconstitutional conditions. Jammed prisons make our jobs more dangerous. Focusing corrections on criminals who are truly dangerous to society would bring us back to our purpose and give us a safer and more rewarding workplace.
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:42 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ask yourself this simple question: Has it worked? As most of us can answer from experience: No. The war on drugs has never worked. Today, drugs are cheaper, more potent, and easier to get than they were in 1970 when the war on drugs began. On federal surveys, teenagers consistently report that it’s easier to buy marijuana than alcohol, which is legal and age-regulated. And beyond its failure, the war on drugs has had unintended but devastatingly violent consequences. As with alcohol prohibition, drugs are under the control of bloodthirsty cartels fighting over untaxed profits and killing police and innocent civilians in their crossfire.
The correctional system’s goal of using punishment and rehabilitation in order to protect society from criminals is not well-served by our policy of prohibition. Though any criminal justice professional can tell you that harsh drug laws are not a deterrent, we continue to put people in jail for drug crimes, overcrowding prisons and letting violent criminals go. Instead of supervising high-risk offenders, we find ourselves urine testing non-violent probationers and sending them back to jail when they fail.
Overcrowded prisons are bad for society and a daily threat to many of us. In states like California, prisons have been ordered by courts to reduce populations due to unconstitutional conditions. Jammed prisons make our jobs more dangerous. Focusing corrections on criminals who are truly dangerous to society would bring us back to our purpose and give us a safer and more rewarding workplace
Yeah but then the jump out boys don't get any new toys to play with.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:47 pm to Agforlife
You mean Concord, NH doesn't need an armored vehicle?
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:48 pm to the808bass
:boobs:
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:49 pm to Agforlife
"'Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it'"
War on drugs a trillion dollar failure
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We haven't gotten any wiser. We keep repeating failed policy hoping it will be different this time.
It's not.
The WoD's had directly led to the state of LE and the militarization of LEO's around the country. It makes life more dangerous for officer and civilian alike.
War on drugs a trillion dollar failure
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Amount spent annually in the U.S. on the war on drugs: More than $51,000,000,000
Number of people arrested in 2012 in the U.S. on nonviolent drug charges: 1.55 million
Number of people arrested for a marijuana law violation in 2012: 749,825
Number of those charged with marijuana law violations who were arrested for possession only: 658,231 (88 percent)
Number of Americans incarcerated in 2012 in federal, state and local prisons and jails: 2,228,400 or 1 in every 108 adults, the highest incarceration rate in the world
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Number of people killed in Mexico's drug war since 2006: 70,000+
Number of students who have lost federal financial aid eligibility because of a drug conviction: 200,000+
Number of people in the U.S. that died from a drug overdose in 2010: 38,329
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National prohibition of alcohol (1920-33)--the "noble experiment"--was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America. The results of that experiment clearly indicate that it was a miserable failure on all counts. The evidence affirms sound economic theory, which predicts that prohibition of mutually beneficial exchanges is doomed to failure
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Although consumption of alcohol fell at the beginning of Prohibition, it subsequently increased. Alcohol became more dangerous to consume; crime increased and became "organized"; the court and prison systems were stretched to the breaking point; and corruption of public officials was rampant. No measurable gains were made in productivity or reduced absenteeism. Prohibition removed a significant source of tax revenue and greatly increased government spending. It led many drinkers to switch to opium, marijuana, patent medicines, cocaine, and other dangerous substances that they would have been unlikely to encounter in the absence of Prohibition.
We haven't gotten any wiser. We keep repeating failed policy hoping it will be different this time.
It's not.
The WoD's had directly led to the state of LE and the militarization of LEO's around the country. It makes life more dangerous for officer and civilian alike.
This post was edited on 2/21/14 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If only we would elect real people to represent us but alas no real person can compete with the wealthy that run so we are stuck with what we have. TOSIAR
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Posted on 2/21/14 at 4:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
it is a failed policy if we talk about what the actual stated goal was but it is a great success if we are real about it lining pockets.
the jump out boys should feel some shame that good officers blood was shed so they could continue their thirst for new shiny toys.
the jump out boys should feel some shame that good officers blood was shed so they could continue their thirst for new shiny toys.
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