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re: Racists are born that way
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:08 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:08 pm to WG_Dawg
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SOME racists.
I would say most of them.
Obviously, something can happen in someones adult life to trigger something, but I would think that it's rare.
I saw where, after Hank Aaron had made some commemts that a few people were offended by, this idiot emailed the Braves and said something along the lines of "My dad taught me when I was a kid that the only good ****** is a dead ******.
That happens more than you'd like to think.
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:09 pm to CatFan81
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I saw where, after Hank Aaron had made some commemts that a few people were offended by, this idiot emailed the Braves and said something along the lines of "My dad taught me when I was a kid that the only good ****** is a dead ******.
Everyone involved in that statement is racist, including Aaron.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:11 pm to Alahunter
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Everyone involved in that statement is racist, including Aaron.
I disagree. He grew up in a time when he got death threats every day. He kept those letters. Still has them.
The emails that the Braves got after what he said proves that he was right.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:14 pm to CatFan81
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I disagree. He grew up in a time when he got death threats every day. He kept those letters. Still has them.
And? Of course he was a victim in the past. His statements today show his hatred and racism. This is a perfect example, of how one need not be raised a racist to become one. Life experiences can create them. His recent statements ooze hatred and racism. And it has brought it out from others.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:18 pm to CatFan81
Either racism is always justified, or never justified. I find this postmodern idea that overt prejudice is ok for some people in some circumstances distasteful.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:18 pm to Alahunter
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And? Of course he was a victim in the past. His statements today show his hatred and racism. This is a perfect example, of how one need not be raised a racist to become one. Life experiences can create them. His recent statements ooze hatred and racism. And it has brought it out from others.
If the argument is nature vs. nurture, though, I think it's obvious that it's nurture. Discrimination is learned, not innate.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:19 pm to Alahunter
Telling the truth isn't racism. What did he say that's wrong? Like I said, the response from the backwater idiots backs up what he said.
There's nothing racist about that. The only people that were offended were looking to be offended or were the people that he was referring to.
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"We can talk about baseball. Talk about politics. Sure, this country has a black president, but when you look at a black president, President Obama is left with his foot stuck in the mud from all of the Republicans with the way he's treated.
"We have moved in the right direction, and there have been improvements, but we still have a long ways to go in the country.
"The bigger difference is that back then they had hoods. Now they have neckties and starched shirts."
There's nothing racist about that. The only people that were offended were looking to be offended or were the people that he was referring to.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:20 pm to Kentucker
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Discrimination is learned
Didn't say it wasn't. Just stated that it isn't necessarily at home where it's learned, and to make a blanket statement that entire families are racist, because of one person, is not always the case.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:21 pm to Alahunter
Humans are prejudicial. No surprise there.
We are naturally inclined to orient ourselves towards individuals and groups that are similar to ourselves. It's that "birds of a feather flock together" saying playing out in the world. We do it with all sorts of things and I see nothing wrong with that, regardless of the variable that triggers the response (be it race, gender, age, religion, or college fandom).
Those who actually have an irrational hatred of other individuals or groups should probably reevaluate why they feel that way, but to prefer one attribute over another is natural and shouldn't be dissuaded for its own sake.
We are naturally inclined to orient ourselves towards individuals and groups that are similar to ourselves. It's that "birds of a feather flock together" saying playing out in the world. We do it with all sorts of things and I see nothing wrong with that, regardless of the variable that triggers the response (be it race, gender, age, religion, or college fandom).
Those who actually have an irrational hatred of other individuals or groups should probably reevaluate why they feel that way, but to prefer one attribute over another is natural and shouldn't be dissuaded for its own sake.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:22 pm to CatFan81
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There's nothing racist about that. The only people that were offended were looking to be offended or were the people that he was referring to.
He's referring to every white person in the Republican Party. There is everything racist in that, and to say that the only people who should be offended are the ones he is calling racist, is dishonest. His statement is obviously directed at whites, and those who oppose political leanings of a man who happens to be black. He injected race into the situation on his own.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:24 pm to Alahunter
there is a study that links cognitive ability, racism, and conservatism. I'm gonna have to start a thread
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:24 pm to Alahunter
I know some people recently involved with attempting to honor him in a fashion. He blew them off completely and in a manner not appropriate or acceptable IMO. Now I don't know if that is due to him simply being a miserable prick, but based on other comments it seems likely that racial prejudice had a role to play.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:25 pm to Alahunter
The Republican party isn't made up of just white people. The Democratic party isn't made up of all minorities. I would venture to say that there are just as many white Democrats as there are white Republicans. He wasn't calling out a race. He was calling out a political party.
You're not going to change my opinion though, and I'm not going to change yours.
You're not going to change my opinion though, and I'm not going to change yours.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:27 pm to CatFan81
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The Republican party isn't made up of just white people
He specifically said Republican party and said they traded Klan robes for ties. Are you insinuating he meant black people in the Republican party?
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The Democratic party isn't made up of all minorities
He said black President.
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He wasn't calling out a race. He was calling out a political party
And injecting race as the issue. Klan hoods for neck ties.
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You're not going to change my opinion though, and I'm not going to change yours.
Not so long as you don't stick to the actual statements he made.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:31 pm to CatFan81
That guy who wrote that is probably an extreme example, or someone just trying to get his name in the paper.
What, parents raising their kids as racists? I think it happens a ton, I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that I think you are under-selling the people who are racists that were NOT brought up that way. I know a handful of people who were brought up in totally "normal" households, where race most likely was never even mentioned, positive or negative, growing up. But as we got to high school and were out on our own more, and then going to college and just seeing more of society, those people formed their own opinions, some of which happen to be negative towards a particular group. They weren't raised that way, or predisposed to it, they arrived at that mindset based on their own personal life observations. I think THAT happens more than you would think, especially depending on what area you grow up in.
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That happens more than you'd like to think
What, parents raising their kids as racists? I think it happens a ton, I'm not denying that. All I'm saying is that I think you are under-selling the people who are racists that were NOT brought up that way. I know a handful of people who were brought up in totally "normal" households, where race most likely was never even mentioned, positive or negative, growing up. But as we got to high school and were out on our own more, and then going to college and just seeing more of society, those people formed their own opinions, some of which happen to be negative towards a particular group. They weren't raised that way, or predisposed to it, they arrived at that mindset based on their own personal life observations. I think THAT happens more than you would think, especially depending on what area you grow up in.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:32 pm to FooManChoo
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We are naturally inclined to orient ourselves towards individuals and groups that are similar to ourselves.
I think it's more accurate to say that we orient to those with whom we develop affinities. After all, we're comfortable with those people. Of course, the first people with whom we develop familiarity is our mother, father and then siblings. As we grow up we branch out rather radically if we get the proper amount of socialization and ultimately join a "tribe" in which we feel most comfortable as adults.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:34 pm to Alahunter
That was a slam dunk rebuttal.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:38 pm to Dick Leverage
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That was a slam dunk rebuttal.
Not really, but I'm not pulling the OP Topic off topic anymore than it already is.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:44 pm to Kentucker
quote:Perhaps, but I think we're just splitting hairs here. We might immediately like one person over another based on something they said (something that we agree with) or do (that we also like to do or would like to do) or how they look (which mirrors how we look or would like to look).
I think it's more accurate to say that we orient to those with whom we develop affinities...
We all have triggers that set off desires or interest or just good feelings within us. Often times that is nothing more than familiarity, and we like to feel like we belong somewhere. So, we gravitate towards others who appear to be like us in certain ways. Those characteristic triggers create an affinity within us towards that person or group and we want to associate ourselves with them over others who do not trigger such an affinity.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:09 pm to FooManChoo
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We all have triggers that set off desires or interest or just good feelings within us.
While we all are born with proclivities, that are controlled epigenetically, we are much more apt to learn to like and dislike things. An example of a proclivity is our sexual orientation, straight, gay or something else such as asexualism. An example of a learned part of our sexual orientation is the type of person to whom we are attracted.
My first crush was on a girl in the eighth grade who was of Italian descent. I fell hard. She had dark wavy hair, olive skin and kind but sultry eyes. I would melt when she'd laugh. I liked everything about her.
Of course, nothing came of that first young love but I had developed a preferential "mold" for what I like in a woman that persists to this day. Sophia Loren is the celebrity I would say my first love resembled most.
Because my attraction to "Sophia" was so complete, and because we look for someone to whom we are attracted, the woman I eventually married had a lot of characteristics similar to my Sophia. She had a lot that were different, too. For example, she had blonde, straight hair instead of dark and wavy.
My point is that I think we develop a checklist for the things we like and dislike and go about searching for people or things that best fit our preferences. Obviously, we can modify the mold because we're not creatures that are bound by instincts. This ability makes our lives richer.
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