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re: Racist or Not Racist?

Posted on 4/26/15 at 9:19 pm to
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 9:19 pm to
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Being that we didn't get civil right until the 60s I'd say it will take a while to truly over come it. The psychological effects of it will be everlasting


To quote somebody from the OTL...

The Jews, Irish, Scots, Italians, Chinese and others have all been enslaved and oppressed but somehow managed to get their shite together and not blame the descendants living today for something somebody did 50+ years ago.


I usually agree with this. However, I will say that as blacks moved into the city the jobs they could get were moved out to the suburbs. They couldn't afford to move or transportation to get to those jobs. They were basically left out in the cold and it was harder for them to better themselves.
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 9:26 pm to
Ok. Then answer the question at hand, please.
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 9:31 pm to
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What he's saying is that if you watch this video and type what you really think when you watch it, you will get banned.


At-Risk Youth having a Protest in Baltimore Yesterday

You aren't allowed to say "Useless thug black males acting like wild jungle monkeys in civilized society" because it is racist to say things like that, even if it's 100% true.


So, is what these people are doing more or less violent or intelligent than hundreds of whites gathering in 1926 in {insert deep southern town here} to witness the lynching of a black person and throwing spoiled tomatoes at the lifeless body?
This post was edited on 4/26/15 at 9:39 pm
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 9:50 pm to
To me, posting things like this shows that yes, there is a problem in this community. What it is, I honestly do not know. Note that in no way am I excusing their behavior.

What it also shows me is an incredibly myopic view, or better yet a lack thereof, of American history. My great grandfather, about whom a book is written, was the sherrif in Ft. Bend county TX in the 30's. He had a gang of whites on horse back with hoods threaten to come to his house and kill his family because he dared to pull a gun on a group of white men who were terrorizing a black polling station.

This kind of shite happened on a daily basis to blacks for nearly a century POST slavery. But a few whites, and I am by no means saying what those people did is right, get beat up and some beers thrown at them and you act like its the God damned apocalypse. Please educate your ignorance and stop being foolish. You're the one sensationalizing.

This post was edited on 4/26/15 at 9:54 pm
Posted by OBReb6
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 10:10 pm to
All that guilt must be such a burden
Posted by BigOrangeBri
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 10:21 pm to
Black Americans in the 50s and 60s just wanted to assimilate and have the rights to be like all other Americans. Many people(black and white) fought and died to change things.
Now there's a culture in black america that wants to separate from everyone else. It's a "look at me I'm so persecuted" "I deserve more than what I'm getting" attitude. Fact is, they don't know anything like what their ancestors went through and many of those ancestors would be embarrassed by what's currently going on in the black community.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 10:48 pm to
The problem isnt black intelligence, its black culture.

If you conducted an experiment which took a large number of black children and had them raised from birth in white affluent homes, the distribution of success I suspect would be identical to that of affluent white children.

The issue is that intelligence, education and being a benefit to society just isnt valued in the majority of black homes. Personal responsibility has been replaced by a victim complex which expects reperations for past wrongs to support them. Two parent homes are the exception in black society, and black children who succeed in school are mocked by their peers.
This post was edited on 4/26/15 at 10:53 pm
Posted by Lord of The Vaught
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 11:02 pm to
You're painting with a very broad brush.

Anyone who is raised in an affluent home to parents of any race have a better chance at success. White people aren't the only ones that can be affluent.

Education isn't valued because of the shitty school systems in majority black neighborhoods which carries over to the homes. Black parents aren't out here teaching us about slavery and how we need reparations at a majority. Two parent homes are down in every race. All children who succeed are mocked. Kids suck. Mocking is what they do.
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 11:31 pm to
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All that guilt must be such a burden





All what guilt?
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 11:40 pm to
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Black Americans in the 50s and 60s just wanted to assimilate and have the rights to be like all other Americans. Many people(black and white) fought and died to change things.
Now there's a culture in black america that wants to separate from everyone else. It's a "look at me I'm so persecuted" "I deserve more than what I'm getting" attitude. Fact is, they don't know anything like what their ancestors went through and many of those ancestors would be embarrassed by what's currently going on in the black community.


This is largely due to how they were maligned and disenfranchised when they were not allowed to assimilate. After a certain point, you say "frick it" and give up. Consequently, the children of these people wanted to be as far from white as they could possibly be because they experienced the way their parents were treated. Obviously this thinking backfired on them in the long run, and two generations later it has only slowly begun to be rectified.

The point I'm trying to make is there is always an explanation. That doesn't make it morally right, but that doesn't make it an excuse, either.
This post was edited on 4/26/15 at 11:42 pm
Posted by cokebottleag
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 11:57 pm to
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This is largely due to how they were maligned and disenfranchised when they were not allowed to assimilate. After a certain point, you say "frick it" and give up. Consequently, the children of these people wanted to be as far from white as they could possibly be because they experienced the way their parents were treated. Obviously this thinking backfired on them in the long run, and two generations later it has only slowly begun to be rectified.


This makes a lot of sense.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:07 am to
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Jesus Christ... that's worse than what I posted. That's the literal and classical definition of racism. The question is..... is it true?





It's not true at all.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:24 am to
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Would you mind expanding on which parts are stupid?


Sure.

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For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.


No they haven't. 100 years ago white Irish were treated worse than blacks. Black Americans assimilated across different parts of America in different ways. To say that the post-Reconstruction South means anything as a frame of reference for anything outside of it is ridiculous. 50 years ago in his country 4% of people were okay with interracial marriage. 4%. To act like a social experiment is going on is nothing more than pigeon holing a belief that you don't like modern black/urban culture.

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Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?


Um. I'm assuming that the peoples of Africa never went anywhere other than the antebellum South, otherwise we wouldn't have separate continents with massive influxes of African DNA in to the genomes of that region with absolutely none of the issues to be reflected upon later in this article.

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The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization.


I don't know what this means but America is awesome I guess.

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The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements.


Cool. Different parts of the human species evolved with different stressors to the environment.

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Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.


The USA isn't the only place where xenophobia has existed, which is the biggest problem with this whole article.

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Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up.


None of this statement is based in reality.

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They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted.


This is gibberish. The free market and politics were in charge of the blacks, just like every other social group.

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They created the Freedman’s Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball. Their new laws intruded into people’s lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable.


This is so racist and ignorant it's almost indefensible.

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They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration.


Good. Only racist pricks think that black people aren't smart enough to go to lowly arse schools like Alabama, Arkansas and Ole Miss.

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Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice versa.


OMG. This is so racist I don't know how anyone takes this seriously.

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They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to “Celebrate Diversity!” and “Say No To Racism.” Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.


How is anyone still reading this.

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Some thought that what W.E.B. Du Bois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing. Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them.


There is no factual basis for this. The percentage of black people under the poverty line has decreased every single year that statistic has existed. This entire premise is ridiculous.

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Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and majority-black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment. Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away.


Just listen to what this is saying. This is saying Detroit is bankrupt because of black people, and somehow they collectively don't take responsibility for their failures. This is just asinine.













frick the rest of it is just too racist to continue. It disgusts me how many people in this thread agree with this premise. It's just insane.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:29 am to
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Anyone who is raised in an affluent home to parents of any race have a better chance at success


Of course, but the point is that there just aren't many affluent black homes.

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Education isn't valued because of the shitty school systems in majority black neighborhoods which carries over to the homes. Black parents aren't out here teaching us about slavery and how we need reparations at a majority. Two parent homes are down in every race. All children who succeed are mocked. Kids suck. Mocking is what they do.


Pretty much all of this is incorrect and only serves to rationalize a systemic cancer within America's black population.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 12:32 am
Posted by Masterag
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:40 am to
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Nobody alive today suffered from the effects of slavery.


Jews are still suffering from the slavery which may or may not have happened thousands of years ago in Egypt.
Posted by FourThreeForty
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 3:09 am to
Im not like my dad in most senses, but he's incredibly racist since he grew up in the bussing era in the 60s. Doesn't help the fact that outside of certain unnamed predominantly white city he currently works in the Birmingham area, everywhere he's worked has been the likes of Huffman, Ensley, etc. It's just experience man.


For some, they can only be pushed so hard by a particular group of people that they form an all encompassing opinion of said group. Racism ranges anything from being raised that way to strings of bad experience with a particular color or ethnicity of people. Ignorance isn't an excuse, but the roots of it are certainly a major part of the reasoning behind it.

I mean am I wrong? At least in this particular post?
Posted by Supravol22
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 6:08 am to
Russia is REALLY racist if you haven't figured that out yet
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 7:13 am to
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Russia is REALLY racist if you haven't figured that out yet


Much of the world is REALLY Racist if you look into it.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 7:35 am to
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Native american indian say HELLO.



Dude, blacks were literally treated like frocking animals.





Well, if you believe what your 1st grade teacher taught you, so were the Indians. I personally don't buy the bullshite of 15th century biological warfare, but that's just me.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 7:40 am to
Because we're biologically programmed to be suspicious and fearful of those not like us.

Human consciousness added onto it, but the basic principle behind racism is our biological instinct. Ours is one of the few societies ever to make real strides towards overcoming that biology.

The problem is that we've grown to the point where we think are above biology and nature (and many even hold the nonsensical belief that we are distinct and separate from it) and we treat many basic instincts as inherently evil actions. We see racism as this evil that only the worst among could still possess, but the reality is that we're all "racist" on some level.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 7:41 am
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