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Racist or Not Racist?

Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:05 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:05 pm
I came across this in the comments section of a facebook post showing the recent robbing of a Russian reporter by a mob of "protestors" in Baltimore.

Is it racist? Or is it true? Or both? Or neither?

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The black/white experiment has failed.

For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites. The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.

Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedman’s Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball. Their new laws intruded into people’s lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless handwringing to close the “achievement gap.” To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to “Celebrate Diversity!” and “Say No To Racism.” Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

Some thought that what W.E.B. Du Bois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing. Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them.

Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and majority-black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment. Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away.

The white elite would tell us that this doesn’t mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, more opportunities. But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president.

Some argue it’s a problem of “culture,” as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame “white privilege.” But since 1965, when the elites opened America’s doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India–people who are not white, not rich, and not “connected”–have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black “youths” are committing half the country’s violent crime–crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it, that has nothing to do with poverty.

The experiment has failed. Not because of culture, or white privilege, or racism. The fundamental problem is that white people and black people are different. They differ intellectually and temperamentally. These differences result in permanent social incompatibility.

Our rulers don’t seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don’t understand that white people aren’t out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with “racism,” and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.






youtube link from reporter getting robbed LINK
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:10 pm to
Super racist and stupid.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63841 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

Super racist and stupid


I understand that the terms "racist" and "stupid" are subjective nowadays.

Would you mind expanding on which parts are stupid?
Posted by Rebel Land Shark
Member since Jul 2013
30162 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:14 pm to
Not racist at all
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:18 pm to
Now throw some hispanics into the black/white equation.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:19 pm to
Incredibly racist
Posted by FourThreeForty
Member since May 2013
17290 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:26 pm to
I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this but I'll say it anyway. There are always exceptions, and in this case a good bit of them.


But I believe that as where black men and women are superior on a physical and instinctual level, white men and women exceed in mental capacity and ingenuity.


Call me racist if you like. I'm not talking about one specific person or anything. It's just how I observed and noticed the like throughout my life.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
58105 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:27 pm to
I believe I'll withhold my great wisdom from this thread
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:28 pm to
That is also racist.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12120 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

Is it racist? Or is it true? Or both? Or neither?



I don't think it is racist, I think it is an opinion of one person and I think there is a lot of truth sprinkled into it. A lot of blame is put on white privilege for failures in America but take a look at countries that are predominantly black. Most of them don't even have technological advancements other than what has been given to them. A lot of it falls back to a failure to evolve.

I'm not sure what the solution to our issues are but I do know that you don't get equality by making exceptions for a group and this goes for any group. Businesses should be allowed to hire who they want or serve who they want. Let the market balance out how well that is received instead of the government stepping in to fine businesses for not serving someone they don't want to or allowing someone to sue that company for it.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63841 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this




Jesus Christ... that's worse than what I posted. That's the literal and classical definition of racism.


The question is..... is it true?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63841 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Businesses should be allowed to hire who they want or serve who they want. Let the market balance out how well that is received instead of the government stepping in to fine businesses for not serving someone they don't want to or allowing someone to sue that company for it.


In 1997 I made this exact argument to my black professor in my Multicultural English class.

This was the period of time when all of this multicultural and diversity crap was really taking off.

This class was basically a regular lit/comp class, but required, regardless of your major, and was all black literature, with one asian poem and one mexican short story thrown in. In fact, it was a Black Literature class.

Anyway, I was young/dumb/fullofcum, and made this argument, but in the context of a restaurant owner somewhere in the racist hills of North Georgia, with a clientele of old white people who grew up during segregation, for whom racism was a normal thing. If this restaurant owner lets the handful of black residents come eat at his restaurant, then all the white people will abandon him, and he'll go out of business. All of this regardless of whether the owner is racist or not.

The whole class erupted with guffaws of white guilt, but the black professor shushed them all, and said he agreed with me, and used that opportunity to explain that race issues weren't as simple as passing laws, and at some point, people have as much of a right to harbor racist opinions as anyone else has to their own opinions.

The white classmates of mine were beside themselves. That professor is part of the Talented Ten that was mentioned in the OP.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17314 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:40 pm to
I think it's definitely racist, but whoever wrote it would freely admit that and assert it's natural to be racist. I don't agree with it, but I don't think it should be cast aside. A lot of people in America feel this way, right or wrong, especially the point about other ethnic groups succeeding in the same circumstances with even less of a population advantage.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12120 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

but in the context of a restaurant owner somewhere in the racist hills of North Georgia, with a clientele of old white people who grew up during segregation, for whom racism was a normal thing. If this restaurant owner lets the handful of black residents come eat at his restaurant, then all the white people will abandon him, and he'll go out of business. All of this regardless of whether the owner is racist or not.

The whole class erupted with guffaws of white guilt, but the black professor shushed them all, and said he agreed with me, and used that opportunity to explain that race issues weren't as simple as passing laws, and at some point, people have as much of a right to harbor racist opinions as anyone else has to their own opinions.

The white classmates of mine were beside themselves. That professor is part of the Talented Ten that was mentioned in the OP.


I had a few black professors at Auburn that were very good people and very intelligent and I would sit down and have dinner with any of them to this day and/or sit down and have drinks with them. My issues lie more with sorry people in general that want hand outs. If you put numbers to it, I am sure that it would be nearly equal as to who goes to get their check at the first of each month between black and whites but percentages of that population skew it.

And I think that the point about the black population lacking a presence in the middle class in general is true too. It seems that they either succeed or fail. I think a lot of it can be accounted to "living their dreams" for too long too. They see rappers as people they look up to and athletes. I know several black guys that have wasted their lives being shitty rappers trying to make it big while people tell them they suck, yet they pick up their check from the welfare office and go piss it away trying to dress like rappers and put out more shitty music. The same with athletes. They put everything they can into playing a sport and ignore the classroom altogether, nothing to fall back on.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18798 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:51 pm to
quote:


But I believe that as where black men and women are superior on a physical and instinctual level, white men and women exceed in mental capacity and ingenuity.



So, you're intellectually superior to every black person?
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

That is also racist.


For fear of banning at minimum, many folks here wont post what they really think.

What I dont get is the denial that there are physical differences between us. I dont think that means one is superior. Being race aware is not the same as being a bigot.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63841 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

And I think that the point about the black population lacking a presence in the middle class in general is true too. It seems that they either succeed or fail. I think a lot of it can be accounted to "living their dreams" for too long too. They see rappers as people they look up to and athletes. I know several black guys that have wasted their lives being shitty rappers trying to make it big while people tell them they suck, yet they pick up their check from the welfare office and go piss it away trying to dress like rappers and put out more shitty music. The same with athletes. They put everything they can into playing a sport and ignore the classroom altogether, nothing to fall back on.



Do you think a program of some sort should be chartered to help raise awareness in "at risk" communities about career choices and life decisions?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 2:01 pm to
quote:


What I dont get is the denial that there are physical differences between us. I dont think that means one is superior. Being race aware is not the same as being a bigot.


Too many people paint with a broad brush.

Example: "Oh black people are just more athletic." Sounds like a compliment, right?

It's not. It does a disservice to the myriad of white/other minority athletes, and at the same time casts the plethora black people who are not athletically inclined into the category of "anomaly."

Seeing people as people, not as subsets based on their melanin count, will become more and more paramount as Americans become more blended in general.
This post was edited on 4/26/15 at 2:02 pm
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

It's not. It does a disservice to the myriad of white/other minority athletes


But NBA and NFL and CFB / CMB.
Posted by auzach91
Marietta, GA
Member since Jan 2009
40250 posts
Posted on 4/26/15 at 2:10 pm to
Somewhat racist. Somewhat true.
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