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re: Princeton Review: Acceptance and graduation rates for SEC schools
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:03 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:03 am to NYCAuburn
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UGA
AVG GPA 3.86
ACT Avg 28
SAT Avg 1868
AU
AVG GPA 3.77
ACT Avg 29
SAT Average 1736
Auburn reported a 27 average ACT for the freshman fall class of 2014. I haven't seen the 29 reported anywhere yet.
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Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:11 am to WG_Dawg
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UGA:
Avg GPA for first year students: 3.91
ACT average: 29
SAT average: 1290-1480
2015 First-Year Applications
Applications Received: 22,225
Applicants Admitted: 11,602
New First-Year Students Enrolled: 5,300
UGA had accepted an additional 6300 students that did not enroll.
AU had 13,486 accepted; of which 3,852 enrolled.
My point is only thus:
Enrollment numbers are, at best, half of the acceptance numbers. People with higher numbers are more likely to get scholarships, so a person may get *accepted*, but without financial support of some kind may opt to go to a less expensive school (like possibly a 2 year college or inexpensive 4 year).
We have no idea what the acceptance numbers are. UGA and AU combined have over 16,000 kids accepted whose stats we will never see because they never enrolled, compared to the 9100 or so kids that got in.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:36 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
It's even funnier when Auburn people act like there is a vast difference between the quality of incoming student at Auburn (26.9) and Alabama (26.1) based on an average ACT score that is less than 1 point apart between the schools.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:45 am to Govt Tide
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It's even funnier when Auburn people act like there is a vast difference between the quality of incoming student at Auburn (26.9) and Alabama (26.1) based on an average ACT score that is less than 1 point apart between the schools.
What you are not seeing in Alabama's numbers are the special admittance students (Probation). Due to the quest for 35k+ enrollment, the University has had to offer many instate students this option. I have heard of students with as low as 18 on the ACT getting in under these conditions.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:49 am to cbi8
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4. Texas A&M: It’s pretty easy to get into a school as huge as Texas A&M, as 71 percent of the school’s 32,190 applicants enrolled. The school graduates 50 percent of its students in four years, and 76 percent in five years.
Compared to Harvard yes, it is easy to get into. Compared to the rest of the SEC I would say admission standards are one of the more difficult to get into. A&M has to accept 100% of the kids in the top 10% that apply. Because of that a shite of kids in Texas apply to A&M and tu just so they have the option to go there. If you aren't in the top 10% or in the top quarter with a 1300+ SAT then you're pretty much screwed.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:54 am to Irons Puppet
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What you are not seeing in Alabama's numbers are the special admittance students (Probation). Due to the quest for 35k+ enrollment, the University has had to offer many instate students this option. I have heard of students with as low as 18 on the ACT getting in under these conditions.
Do you have a link for this claim?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:55 am to cbi8
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14. Mississippi State: What does it say when the 10,766 applications Mississippi State received was by far the lowest number at any SEC school? Seventy-one percent of those were welcomed to Starkville. The school graduated 30.9 percent of its students in four years and 61 percent in five years, according to the Chronicle of Higher Education.
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Posted on 8/20/15 at 10:58 am to Irons Puppet
I'm not doubting some special cases because frankly I have no idea one way or the other but I still don't see what the big deal is if the average ACT score is still a very respectable 26.1 which is very close to Auburn's 26.9. A Georgia fan mentioned knowing of a friend's daughter who got into Auburn with a 19. Not knocling Auburn at all because it has a very solid reputation but don't pretend that Auburn is above also taking marginal students as well.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:04 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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Do you have a link for this claim?
You will not see anyone link it, because the University doesn't release this info. Talk to your local HS Councelor about this issue. Again it is an issue of having to get the instate numbers up without watering down the released numbers. It might show why the numbers of students graduating within 4 years being so low.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:14 am to Govt Tide
I'd point out that average ACT is actually not a great indicator. Median ACT along with the 25th-75th percentile range give a better picture than the mean.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:19 am to Irons Puppet
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You will not see anyone link it, because the University doesn't release this info.
You won't see anyone link it because it's an idea you pulled out of your arse. Look, sling all the mud you want. Maybe someone will believe you.
Alabama and Auburn are now less than a point apart on freshman average ACT scores. It's a shame that some of you are so eat up with LBS that you can't even be reasoned with on non-sports issues.
This post was edited on 8/20/15 at 11:23 am
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:38 am to bamasgot13
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This dick measuring every off season is irrelevant to the masses, but there are exceptions where a degree from one SEC school is better than a degree from another.
The masses is exactly what I was referring to. We can point out rare to occasional exceptions in any region of the country but we all know that all but 1 of the SEC schools are pretty much the same.
And IME those exceptions mostly apply to first time job applications. Work experience and references outweigh your college choice almost every time.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 11:40 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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You won't see anyone link it because it's an idea you pulled out of your arse. Look, sling all the mud you want. Maybe someone will believe you. Alabama and Auburn are now less than a point apart on freshman average ACT scores. It's a shame that some of you are so eat up with LBS that you can't even be reasoned with on non-sports issues.
People who live in Alabama and have children in Public HS know the truth. Ask around youself.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:04 pm to AubieALUMdvm
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The masses is exactly what I was referring to. We can point out rare to occasional exceptions in any region of the country but we all know that all but 1 of the SEC schools are pretty much the same.
And IME those exceptions mostly apply to first time job applications. Work experience and references outweigh your college choice almost every time.
I can tell you, even in some fields, having a degree from Vanderbilt will get a "that's cool" from a hiring manager and not much else.
I've been a hiring manager in IT for 10 years now, and I can vouch for the fact that nearly every time you see "must have degree" what they're really saying is either:
"We have no idea if a degree is needed or not, because we're HR"
OR
"We want proof you could stick through something for 4-6 years and get a sheet of paper. Plus with student debt, we doubt you'll leave in the immediate future."
Sure, NASA and Microsoft will look at someone from MIT a lot closer than someone from Alabama, but unless the guy hiring you (or the guy who runs the place) is a graduate from the same place as you, the school you get it from is more or less irrelevant - a fact that for profit schools like ITT play up a lot and get people to pay more money to than they would to attend an SEC school.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:05 pm to BugaPainTrain7
In applicants.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:21 pm to GaTiger77
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Too bad employers don't view it that way.
It matters a helluva lot regarding the type of firms on campus recruiting grads. After that it doesn't mean much at all.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:22 pm to skrayper
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I can tell you, even in some fields, having a degree from Vanderbilt will get a "that's cool" from a hiring manager and not much else. I've been a hiring manager in IT for 10 years now, and I can vouch for the fact that nearly every time you see "must have degree" what they're really saying is either: "We have no idea if a degree is needed or not, because we're HR" OR "We want proof you could stick through something for 4-6 years and get a sheet of paper. Plus with student debt, we doubt you'll leave in the immediate future." Sure, NASA and Microsoft will look at someone from MIT a lot closer than someone from Alabama, but unless the guy hiring you (or the guy who runs the place) is a graduate from the same place as you, the school you get it from is more or less irrelevant - a fact that for profit schools like ITT play up a lot and get people to pay more money to than they would to attend an SEC school.
First thing I would question is a person who goes to Vanderbilt and gets an IT Degree.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:22 pm to Pettifogger
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Says dude who didn't go to either.
We've already had this discussion. UGA degree hanging right above my head as I type.
You a Walton or Wheeler Grad?
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:29 pm to CrimsonCowboy
quote:Well hell yeah!
kids must be dragging arse through their degree programs.
Posted on 8/20/15 at 12:37 pm to skrayper
It's pretty much the same in veterinary medicine too. Where you went usually doesn't matter provided you went to a US school.
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