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Poverty Tourism or genuine Mission Trip?

Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:59 am
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:59 am
So it's summertime, and my Facebook feed is filled with Arkansas kids going on "mission trips" to other states nearby. They rent buses, pay for hotels, meals, etc, and then go somewhere and paint a few houses or whatever. They go to south Texas or Alabama or somewhere else a few states away.

At the same time they are doing this, there are groups from Iowa and other states, coming to Arkansas, doing the same thing.

It all seems wasteful to me. There are plenty of opportunities to do "mission" work close to home. With the $$$$ these trips cost, these groups could build an entire house for someone locally. Same goes for the kids traveling down here from Iowa or wherever.

Someone explain to me the reasoning that goes into this type of stuff.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:04 am to
I don't know, but maybe seeing the poverty in a different area may make someone open their eyes more to it closer to home? It's like if your house has a cosmetic blemish, say some chipped paint on a wall. After a few years, you get used to seeing it to a point that you no longer even notice it. But then you go to a friend's house and immediately notice the same blemish, so you go home and fix the blemish in your house the next weekend.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:09 am to
I hadn't heard the term "poverty tourism" before but it's so apt. I would guess that people go on international poverty tours for the same reasons they go interstate.

Namely, physical distance equates to an emotional distance. Helping those close by might lead to a more long lasting commitment to provide aid.



Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:12 am to
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It all seems wasteful to me

Doing the Lord's work isn't wasteful. I do agree that charity begins at home.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20497 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:19 am to
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before but it's so apt


In these cases, it's not apt at all. Sometimes they aid elderly, which is not the same as poor. Sometimes they try to build membership in local churches. Sometimes they assist in disaster relief, and yes sometimes they serve in impoverished areas.

Part of the goal is to build a sense of community within the actual group that encourages future participation. That's more difficult to achieve locally.

And honestly, if it were something my kids did, I'd want them to go out and do it in places they are unfamiliar with and with people whom they might have unjustified bias. You can call that "poverty tourism" if you wish, but it's far better for them than growing up having never seen the north side of I-10 (for example).
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:21 am to
I went on a mission trip to Jamaica with a friend growing up. It struck me as a sham as they pressured the folks in the village we stayed in to come to chapel with us every night. It was like they were forcing their religion on them in exchange for the work we were doing.

It was okay, but I got sent home after getting caught trying to sneak out and experience some local flavor.
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:24 am to
That is a good reason I guess.

It's just hard for me to understand sending a group of kids on a trip to help out in an adjacent state, when the money spent traveling to and from could be used to help others right here.

Same goes for the kids from Iowa who were rehabbing houses in Prairie Grove recently. Why drive all that way to do that, when local kids are going to Alabama, etc.

There are people from my church who go to Africa on the reg, but that group are medical professionals who have a particular set of skills. They go with equipment, supplies, and provide services those people absolutely can't get without charity. Then there are people who work in marketing, who go lay in a hammock in Honduras every year and hug babies.

There are varying degrees of it, and to my eyes, some of it is wasteful and self-focused.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55289 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:31 am to
It's about teaching kids to be the hands and feet of God. Allows them to put their faith into action. It also lets the less fortunate know that God and His followers do really care about them.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:33 am to
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by might lead to a more long lasting commitment to provide aid.



How horribly cynical
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20497 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:34 am to
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Same goes for the kids from Iowa who were rehabbing houses in Prairie Grove recently.


What's going on in Prairie Grove? There were kids from East TN going there as well.

Is it possible that this has been identified as an area of need by a particular group?
Posted by VOLcano
Rocky Top
Member since Feb 2016
942 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:34 am to
Its because it is a "vacation" or party for the kids. They are a lot more likely to get involved if they get to go somewhere and not just down the street. When there was a local mission trip being planned you would have the 10 regular folks sign up to go, but if they were going out of state/country then all of a sudden there was 25+ kids. I was very active in the church when I was growing up and saw it happen every time without fail. Nobody wants to help the poor people they see everyday, they want to go somewhere new and spend a day poorly painting a house and the rest of the week having a good time.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19942 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 10:53 am to
It's not black and white. There is absolutely an amount of "voluntourism" that goes on. I wish it were more pure, but I could also say I have belonged to churches where staff members were not doing enough to justify their salaries. I could also say the same thing about businesses I have worked at. Just goes with the territory.

That being said, I do believe that the context of seeing things outside your home area is valuable. I have traveled to 50-odd countries, and have lived overseas a good chunk of my life. In my experience, the best way to really see your home is to look at it from a distance. I support a Christian outreach in Phnom Penh that has as its mission to keep young boys out of the sex trade there. By young, I mean single digits ages. Once you dig into the real issues there (going back - at least - to the Khmer Rouge in the 70's) and understand how a parent would sell their child into this horror, you understand better how to minister to people "where they are" (not where you are or where you want them to be). That context is crucial, including for what you support at "home". It helps you filter and qualify the causes you support, and feel more invested in the ones you choose.

Does that apply to going from Arkansas to Texas? I think the concept still applies, just in a much more diluted form, maybe even to the point of ineffectiveness. But, you just might reach those 2-3 kids who will go on to make a difference.

As for the idea that this work in other countries carries a recruitment of people as part of the "price" for the benefits it brings the recipient, you have to remember that a central tenet of Christianity is the great commission, i.e., "Go ye, therefore, and make disciples of all nations..." Mt 28:19. I would also say that if any mission pulls its support or work because the recipients are not embracing Christianity, they are not there for the right reasons.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 10:55 am
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:06 am to
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How horribly cynical


I was wondering who would catch that.

Seriously, though, is it an inaccurate assessment? It's human nature to avoid those who are impoverished, different. Especially socially.

Don't churches in the U.S. defer to the very impersonal governmental welfare programs instead of providing the up close and loving aid that the founders of our country intended by making their services tax free?
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16968 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:18 am to
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I don't know, but maybe seeing the poverty in a different area may make someone open their eyes more to it closer to home?
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55289 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:19 am to
That's not true at all . Churches serve their local communities, mission trips represent much less than 5% of a typical Baptist churches outreach/giving.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55289 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:21 am to
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Seriously, though, is it an inaccurate assessment? It's human nature to avoid those who are impoverished, different. Especially socially



And I'm not arguing this,it's true.

But this has zero influence on determining mission trip destinations
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19942 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:26 am to
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Don't churches in the U.S. defer to the very impersonal governmental welfare programs instead of providing the up close and loving aid that the founders of our country intended by making their services tax free?

A. Not any church I have belonged to.
B. Not sure what "making their services tax free?" refers to. Are you talking about tax deductions for charitable giving? If so, the income tax didn't even exist until the 20th century.
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:37 am to
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What's going on in Prairie Grove? There were kids from East TN going there as well. Is it possible that this has been identified as an area of need by a particular group?


As far as I can tell, all that is going on in Prairie Grove is a lot of new home construction as it becomes more of a suburb of the bigger NWA cities. I don't think anybody around here considers it to be a depressed or poverty-stricken area by any stretch. It's a nice little town with good schools and a state park. That's kind of my question. Why are youth groups spending money traveling here, while youth groups from here travel to other places in other states?
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:38 am to
Does the typical Baptist church provide local services that include shelter for the homeless, food for the hungry, medical services for the ill, counseling for the mentally injured, legal aid for the abused wife and children, cars for those who need to work, safe spaces for runaway children, education for their communities, orphanages for unwanted children, etc.?

Do they provide any services at all to those who aren't interested in being Baptists? How do they justify the incredible advantage of operating tax free?

Why are there taxpayer funded welfare programs when religions can perform those same services much more efficiently? What is the purpose of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples and the like if not to help those who are less fortunate?

Shouldn't we tax religious enterprises to fund welfare programs?
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:45 am to
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B. Not sure what "making their services tax free?" refers to.


As a person who is not religious, the only difference I see between religious organizations and private businesses is that the former don't pay taxes. It's my opinion that the founders of our country intended for religious organizations to provide services that would help the less fortunate. Thus the tax free status.
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