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re: Poll for Mississippians.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:39 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:39 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
I'd vote to change the flag. It's only holding us back and does absolutely zero good for us. It's a no-brainer. That and it also represents a symbol for "The south will rise again" bullshite.
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:40 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Exactly. The national narrative about race depends too much on the South (Mississippi especially) continuing to be a hotbed of racism. Keeping all of the attention on the South distracts people from real problems with regards to race, such as education, welfare dependency, and the war on drugs.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:44 pm to sharpSee
Name one instance where it has held us back
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:52 pm to Henry Jones Jr
My favorite argument from the flag and mascot debacles was that they were holding us back and then we proceeded to be worse the following years after we got rid of them. I agreed with getting rid of them but holding us back was terrible reasoning when there is zero evidence supporting it.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:55 pm to DMagic
Well Colonel Reb did negatively impact us in recruiting. Tubberville said as much. But the state as a whole isn't being held back by our flag. It's our shite education system for the most part and then the lack of people willing to work.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 12:58 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Changing the flag is the priority for liberals right now.
Once the flag is changed, they'll want to change something else. Once that is changed, they'll look to change something else.
It's a bunch of bored people who have nothing better to do with their time.
My personal take? Change it if you want to. It won't hurt me. It's a piece of cloth. I do however have a tough time thinking about the smug look some folks will get once we "give in" to their butthurt ways of thinking.
Once the flag is changed, they'll want to change something else. Once that is changed, they'll look to change something else.
It's a bunch of bored people who have nothing better to do with their time.
My personal take? Change it if you want to. It won't hurt me. It's a piece of cloth. I do however have a tough time thinking about the smug look some folks will get once we "give in" to their butthurt ways of thinking.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:00 pm to SouthMSReb
See that's how I am. I honestly don't care one way or the other but the way the left acts about this kind of stuff makes me want them to not change it. Just to give the bird to those smug assholes that think they can change anything because it hurts their feelings
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:02 pm to cave canem
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Several trips a year to India, unfortunately a dash to China every now and then. Was in Lagos, Nigeria a few weeks ago of all places and an advertiser was using a strangely similar icon to a swastika as the backdrop in an ad. Have seen it used several times in the middle east although it was most likely done purposefully to irritate as the arabs seem to have a strange Hitler fixation, likely due to a shared hatred of Hebrews.
Didn't notice Central Europe anywhere.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:06 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Well Colonel Reb did negatively impact us in recruiting
No it didn't. The same negative recruiting that was going on against us still goes on today. Other schools still paint us as vengeful confederates as evidence by Laremy Tunsil's mom who didn't want him to take a visit for the longest because she thought he'd be assaulted by roving white supremacists or Marlon Humphrey who claimed we have weekly KKK rallies. Every school does it to the others here in the SEC and they'd be stupid if they didn't. Tuberville just wasn't a very good recruiter even if he was right about getting rid of the flags.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:10 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
Couldn't care less. Change it if the people want to.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:43 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:45 pm to HYDRnation
This flag does have similarities to the first official flag of the Confederacy, but the stars give it different meanings. The flag above has 20 stars representing the 20th state which is Mississippi. There is nothing racist behind that.
This flag:
The seven stars represent the original Confederate States. This could be perceived as racist.
I think we need to find an alternative because of all the douche bags that have tarnished it's image over the past century. It was a battle flag like every other army has used in past centuries, not a flag that was suppose to induce fear and hatred.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:50 pm to Requiem For A Dawg
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I say yes. We have to change the flag. I'm very proud to be a Mississippian but our flag is embarrassing.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 2:05 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Let me clarify for you.
The majority of voters voted to keep the existing flag design (The vote was 64% (488,630 votes) to 36% (267,812 votes)). I was in the minority of voters. I never said that the majority doesn't matter. I stand by the election process. I just disagree with the results from 14 years ago and would support another referendum.
The 1/3 population I referenced was the black demographics of Mississippi. I made the assumption that most of the offense is based on racial lines, but I don't assume that all those who voted for the new flag design were black.
Voter turnout in 2001 was about 50% of what it was when Obama was elected. So maybe there just weren't that many people who cared at all then. I wonder if that is the case now.
The majority of voters voted to keep the existing flag design (The vote was 64% (488,630 votes) to 36% (267,812 votes)). I was in the minority of voters. I never said that the majority doesn't matter. I stand by the election process. I just disagree with the results from 14 years ago and would support another referendum.
The 1/3 population I referenced was the black demographics of Mississippi. I made the assumption that most of the offense is based on racial lines, but I don't assume that all those who voted for the new flag design were black.
Voter turnout in 2001 was about 50% of what it was when Obama was elected. So maybe there just weren't that many people who cared at all then. I wonder if that is the case now.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 2:35 pm to SouthMSReb
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Changing the flag is the priority for liberals right now.
Just fyi, I consider myself a conservative (although I'm black, of course), and think the flag needs a change.
It's not just a right/left thing when it comes to this particular issue (although of course liberals are fricking annoying with attempts to change things just for change's sake).
Posted on 6/22/15 at 3:03 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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It's not just a right/left thing when it comes to this particular issue (although of course liberals are fricking annoying with attempts to change things just for change's sake).
You're definitely right. I misspoke. But I'd venture to guess that the majority are liberal.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 3:06 pm to Rebel Land Shark
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if an inanimate object seems racist/offensive to you then that's pretty sad.
No shite. Like why do Jews have a beef with me about the swastika I have carved in my forehead? frick 'em.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 3:57 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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See that's how I am. I honestly don't care one way or the other but the way the left acts about this kind of stuff makes me want them to not change it. Just to give the bird to those smug assholes that think they can change anything because it hurts their feelings
But that's not the case anymore. The fact that prominent Republicans like Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush are speaking out against the flag shows that both side have an issue with it.
Also despite the fact that they won't publicly speak out against it, I doubt many northern and west coast republicans agree with it too. But of course they'll dodge the issue say that the decision should be left up to the states (which is true) in order to not alienate their southern base.
I highly doubt the GOP wants to be associated with it, seeing how it goes against their fundamental beliefs.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 4:05 pm to SouthMSReb
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I'd venture to guess that the majority are liberal.
I'd be inclined to agree
Just think some stuff spills over party lines these days.
Posted on 6/22/15 at 5:21 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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It's not just a right/left thing when it comes to this particular issue
Agreed. I'm a Republican (white). My irritation is that this subject is being brought up because of the actions of an evil, sociopath and the left choosing to make it a straw man.
And well, Republicans can't seem to keep their eyes on the ball. For once, I think it would be great if a Republican could have made it an issue for the sake of making things right and just, at another place and time, and not to react to the poking by the left.
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