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Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:08 pm to My Daddy
A boxer with one punch has beat Ali. Tyson by KO obviously. If Frazier could do it, you know damn well Tyson could.
Ali was a draft dodging POS.
His GOAT title was a product of the propaganda of the times.
Was he real good? yes but not what he is made out to have been.
Ali was a draft dodging POS.
His GOAT title was a product of the propaganda of the times.
Was he real good? yes but not what he is made out to have been.
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:20 pm to My Daddy
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A boxer with one punch has beat Ali. Tyson by KO obviously. If Frazier could do it, you know damn well Tyson could.
Ali was a draft dodging POS.
His GOAT title was a product of the propaganda of the times.
Was he real good? yes but not what he is made out to have been.
Fraizer was tough. Tyson was not.
Ali was tough. Tyson was not.
Ali was his own propaganda machine and backed up in the ring.
Tyson would have been another decent heavyweight in the prime of Ali and Frazier. Nothing more.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:23 pm to Mizz-SEC
The one Heavy that NEVER gets the credit he deserves is Larry Holmes. He fought everyone they put in front of him. He had a jab that crushed people. He had misfortune of following Ali basically. He also had to destroy Ali to make him realize he was done. If Holmes wanted to hurt Ali, Cobb, and Ocassio he would have but he let up to not destroy their lives.
To this day, I think Eddie Futch is a traitor. You train the HCW not the contendor (Spinks) and you also need to be loyal and not give away Holmes' stuff like he did.
To this day, I think Eddie Futch is a traitor. You train the HCW not the contendor (Spinks) and you also need to be loyal and not give away Holmes' stuff like he did.
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Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:28 pm to Mizz-SEC
Tyson was tough. Once Cus and Rooney were gone he was a shell of the Tyson that they trained.
Ali was beaten by a one punch fighter and very well could have lost the other fights against Frasier.
Frasier was tough but only had one real punch.
Ali was his own HYPE machine, the media propaganda made his legend larger than it really should have been, for political and social reasons.
Ali was beaten by a one punch fighter and very well could have lost the other fights against Frasier.
Frasier was tough but only had one real punch.
Ali was his own HYPE machine, the media propaganda made his legend larger than it really should have been, for political and social reasons.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:45 pm to My Daddy
quote:Frazier knocked him down, not out. Ali was up at the count of six. After that, Ali kicked his arse twice.
If Frazier could do it,
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:48 pm to tigerfan182
Ali fought the first fight with a broken jaw for a majority of the fight IIRC. You can't question Ali's chin.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:49 pm to tigerfan182
Frasier beat Ali by unanimous decision.
In the broken jaw fight Ali wasn't coming out of the corner(his decision), but Frazier's corner (Joe wanted to continue) threw in the towel so Ali won by corner stoppage.
In the broken jaw fight Ali wasn't coming out of the corner(his decision), but Frazier's corner (Joe wanted to continue) threw in the towel so Ali won by corner stoppage.
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:59 pm to My Daddy
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In the broken jaw fight Ali wasn't coming out of the corner(his decision)
Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw, not Joe Frazier. And Ali was winning that fight until that happened, BUT HE STILL FINISHED THE frickING FIGHT
and Norton won the split decision. Ali later beat Norton twice. Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:04 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Smoking Joe also broke Ali's jaw in the fight I'm referring to.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:06 pm to sms151t
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The one Heavy that NEVER gets the credit he deserves is Larry Holmes. He fought everyone they put in front of him. He had a jab that crushed people. He had misfortune of following Ali basically. He also had to destroy Ali to make him realize he was done. If Holmes wanted to hurt Ali, Cobb, and Ocassio he would have but he let up to not destroy their lives.
Agree with everything you said.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:13 pm to Mizz-SEC
I also agree, I wasn't a fan of Holmes, but he was underrated.
It was funny to me when Tyson knocked him out.
It was funny to me when Tyson knocked him out.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:24 pm to My Daddy
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Smoking Joe also broke Ali's jaw in the fight I'm referring to.
Actually you're correct, but again, Ali finished the fight, and won both rematches.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:28 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw, not Joe Frazier. And Ali was winning that fight until that happened, BUT HE STILL FINISHED THE frickING FIGHT and Norton won the split decision. Ali later beat Norton twice.
Correct. And while I loved Tyson, putting him anywhere in the same hemisphere as Ali is a joke.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:29 pm to sms151t
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The one Heavy that NEVER gets the credit he deserves is Larry Holmes. He fought everyone they put in front of him. He had a jab that crushed people. He had misfortune of following Ali basically. He also had to destroy Ali to make him realize he was done. If Holmes wanted to hurt Ali, Cobb, and Ocassio he would have but he let up to not destroy their lives.
I have an autographed pair of Larry Holmes gloves
. I think he just came at the wrong time. He was a great fighter. And if he hadn't lost to Spinks, he'd be ranked among the greatest.Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:35 pm to Mizz-SEC
No joke, Tyson would have knocked Ali out, or TKO from body shots.
I just never bought the GOAT tag from the media for Ali because of the political and social shite that was going on at the time. That is as far as I'm going on that subject.
But no one is going to change their OPINIONS. So we will have to agree to disagree.
I just never bought the GOAT tag from the media for Ali because of the political and social shite that was going on at the time. That is as far as I'm going on that subject.
But no one is going to change their OPINIONS. So we will have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:45 pm to My Daddy
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I just never bought the GOAT tag from the media for Ali because of the political and social shite that was going on at the time.
I can respect that. I base my GOAT tag on who he fought, who he beat, how he responded to a loss, and the fact that he lost 4 years in the prime of his career and came back to win the title in the greatest heavyweight division of all time.
Who is the GOAT iyo? Heavyweight and pound for pound.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 5:56 pm to My Daddy
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Smoking Joe also broke Ali's jaw in the fight I'm referring to.
In their first fight, not the 2nd or 3rd. Frazier won the 1st, Ali won the others. The fight when Frazier's corner threw in the towel was
Ali/Frazier III. And one or both of them might have died if they fought that 15th round.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 6:09 pm to Vols&Shaft83
All three of those fights were ridiculous, with Ali out boxing Joe but Joe was still landing lots of left hooks. All three were battles.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 6:11 pm to My Daddy
nobody giving Holyfield props?
Ali
Lewis
Holyfield
only 3 HW's to win world championship 3 separate occasions I think
Ali
Lewis
Holyfield
only 3 HW's to win world championship 3 separate occasions I think
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