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Posted on 1/6/16 at 9:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Posted on 1/6/16 at 9:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Prepare yourself for some shitty leadership most branches promote based on some garbage standards. These standards include physical fitness which has zero effect on someone's leadership qualities. Also get ready for officers that are completely incompetent, for example a new Lieutenant was on average 22 years old with about three years total in the military. While a Senior Sergeant has on average over 17 years in the military, officers shite on them like crazy. also be prepared to be held to a standard that is early 1950s. You should probably look at other career options before choosing the Military.
If it is something you really want to do, select a skill that will translate into the real world
If it is something you really want to do, select a skill that will translate into the real world
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 9:40 pm to Skip Winkman
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Skip Winkman
He's planning on going reserve, which ain't that bad of an idea.
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Lieutenant was on average 22 years old with about three years total in the military. While a Senior Sergeant has on average over 17 years in the military, officers shite on them like crazy
Which always drove me bonkers.
I don't know why there aren't more green-to-gold candidates.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 10:04 pm to bamafan1001
If you want to be high-speed, low-drag, you have only one choice ... provided you can handle it.
Army ... either 82nd Airborne, Rangers, or SF.
SEALS are pussies BTW.
Army ... either 82nd Airborne, Rangers, or SF.
SEALS are pussies BTW.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 10:08 pm to Skip Winkman
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Prepare yourself for some shitty leadership most branches promote based on some garbage standards. These standards include physical fitness which has zero effect on someone's leadership qualities.
All leg units have weak physical fitness standards these days. That's why you try to make one of the elite units. And remember, fatigue makes cowards of us all. Get your body in shape or don't do it.
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Also get ready for officers that are completely incompetent, for example a new Lieutenant was on average 22 years old with about three years total in the military.
Most of your high speed unit guys have butter bars straight out of the Woo Poo academy ... but they are better than most ROTCs.
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While a Senior Sergeant has on average over 17 years in the military, officers shite on them like crazy. also be prepared to be held to a standard that is early 1950s.
Good officers do not dump on their NCOs. Bad officers do - but they don't last long. Good officers realize the value of their NCOs and cherish them.
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also be prepared to be held to a standard that is early 1950s.
horseshite.
Most young people these days could not survive the old 50s, 60s, even 70s and 80s military standards.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 10:10 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I don't know why there aren't more green-to-gold candidates.
Battlefield commissions are very rare. Most of the time it's because the NonComs don't want the hassle.
Officers have to kiss way more arse of the brass than do NCOs.
And OCS candidates are hard to come by because few college boys enlist.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:07 pm to scrooster
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If you want to be high-speed, low-drag, you have only one choice ... provided you can handle it.
Army ... either 82nd Airborne, Rangers, or SF.
SEALS are pussies BTW.
bullshite lol. There are currently two women who have the Ranger tab. No woman will ever be a SEAL. Navy SEALs are the toughest and most badass warriors in the United States Military hands down, and probably the planet.
MARSOC is probably tougher as well.
quote:Yes they could
Most young people these days could not survive the old 50s, 60s, even 70s and 80s military standards.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 11:26 pm to SurfTide
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bullshite lol. There are currently two women who have the Ranger tab. No woman will ever be a SEAL. Navy SEALs are the toughest and most badass warriors in the United States Military hands down, and probably the planet.
MARSOC is probably tougher as well.
horseshite on MARSOC. And as far as female SEALS ... read it and weep - and don't confuse politics with the military. The 82nd, Rangers and SF are at the same mercy to the PC liberal progressive fricktards as are the Navy ... and that includes SEALs.
https://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/09/25/navy-seals-ready-open-doors-women/72800400/
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Yes they could
No, they couldn't. Most of you millennials are the biggest bunch of entitled pussies this world has ever endured and if you deny it you are lying to yourselves. You sue, you claim harassment, you call your mommies and daddies ... it's pathetic.
You've got no clue what the old military was like, none, but in typical millennial fashion you think you know everything.
lulz
And don't get me wrong, I respect the helloutta the kids joining these days ... and some of them could handle the old school ways, but we'll never know because our military has been so diluted, for political purposes, that it's fubared all the way around.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:05 am to scrooster
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And as far as female SEALS ... read it and weep - and don't confuse politics with the military. The 82nd, Rangers and SF are at the same mercy to the PC liberal progressive fricktards as are the Navy ... and that includes SEALs.
Hey fricktard, even if the SEALs lowered their standards a woman still couldn't pass because that's much higher their training requirements are than the Rangers. Of course they won't though, because they're not a bunch of pussies like their little bro's in the Army.
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No, they couldn't. Most of you millennials are the biggest bunch of entitled pussies this world has ever endured and if you deny it you are lying to yourselves. You sue, you claim harassment, you call your mommies and daddies ... it's pathetic.
You've got no clue what the old military was like, none, but in typical millennial fashion you think you know everything.
This just screams cranky old man lol. Did your grandson help you set up an account on here to give you something to do, pops?
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:12 am to SurfTide
Ain't even worth the trouble to talk to old people. Always had it worse, always worked harder and never complained about anything.
Except, you know, everything.
Except, you know, everything.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 5:46 am to bamafan1001
I did the same and took the practice ASVAB, I can't remember exactly what I scored but somewhere over 120. I had a lot of options. If I had to do it again I would have taken the three year enlistment in the infantry and applied for embassy duty probably reupped for another time.
The only thing about the Reserves is they don't get treated quite like they used too. Bush fricked that up and instead if a police campaign is started they call them up instead of holding a draft. Something to think about. Don't do it for the money or any training or you wont be happy.
The only thing about the Reserves is they don't get treated quite like they used too. Bush fricked that up and instead if a police campaign is started they call them up instead of holding a draft. Something to think about. Don't do it for the money or any training or you wont be happy.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:20 am to Skip Winkman
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a new Lieutenant was on average 22 years old with about three years total in the military. While a Senior Sergeant has on average over 17 years in the military, officers shite on them like crazy
Posted on 1/7/16 at 12:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I know it's your life, but stop talking with the Navy man.
Army or Air Force, period.
Don't let those guys talk you into anything, they lying through their teeth.
It's all about your comrades rate and not your branch.
And ALL RECRUITERS LIE LIE LIE and LIE some more.
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kirbydawg
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I did the same and took the practice ASVAB, I can't remember exactly what I scored but somewhere over 120
ASVAB only goes to 99.
To put in some perspective I was about to graduate college, went to the local navy recruiting station told them I wanted to fly. They had me take the ASVAB and not the officer test (ASTB-E). Made a 99 and it took me talking to the air force guy to realize that you cannot fly as enlisted. So I had to find a different recruiter that was only lying about half the time to figure out what I really needed to do.
Read a lot on the internet. Probably the best advice I can give.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 4:03 pm to scrooster
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You've got no clue what the old military was like, none, but in typical millennial fashion you think you know everything.
The old military that created a majority the politicians of the 80s and 90s?
Posted on 1/7/16 at 4:08 pm to parrothead
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The old military that created a majority the politicians of the 80s and 90s?
Posted on 1/7/16 at 6:31 pm to parrothead
The frick are you even trying to say.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:20 pm to SurfTide
SurfTide,
Without reading beyond, or juding your rant regarding time on the boat, was the stint benificial in any way?
Without reading beyond, or juding your rant regarding time on the boat, was the stint benificial in any way?
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:50 pm to borotiger
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Without reading beyond, or juding your rant regarding time on the boat, was the stint benificial in any way?
Yes, I can't lie about that. I hated it, but there are definitely benefits.
-I made a very good salary for a late teens/early 20's guy with no college degree.
-I obtained nuclear/engineering training (for free) that will pretty much ensure I'm never without a job for long.
-I earned the GI Bill, which I'm currently using to get an engineering degree free of charge.
-Free healthcare/dental is a definite plus
-I got out of Alabama and saw the world.
-Made most of my best, lifelong friends in the Navy.
-Learned personal discipline, perseverance, hard work, teamwork, leadership, etc
That's about all I can think of.
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:10 pm to SurfTide
frick it, I'll wade in.
Some of this shite was familiar. I joined the Navy in the 80s to see the world and learn how to work on shite. I got to see the engine room for 12-18 hours a day every damn day of a deployment. Not those nice clean nuke engine rooms, nope. We had those old built in the 1950s engine rooms with boilers that ran on oil, sweat and tears of the junior enlisted. The life of a MM on conventional surface craft. Did 6 and GTFO. But to answer the OP, yes I can fix and operate anything that runs on steam.
Joined the Navy Reserves for 2 years in the 90s, hated that shite. As much as I hated being stuck in the engine room at least we had a job and something to do. Being on land, going to drill weekends with nothing to do but busy work sucked.
Joined the Air National Guard in 2001.
I couldn't believe I got paid to do this. Started in Civil Engineering, loved it. Did a stint with Security Forces and enjoyed it too. So much so that I went active duty with it in 2004 as Security Forces. Really loved that but got forced to retrain into another career field 3 years ago. The Command Post career field wouldn't have been my 1st, 3rd or 27th choice but I've made the best of it and its rewarding in its own way. 3 more years and I'll prob punch my ticket.
OP, I've been in both Navy and AF. AF facilities, mission and all those little things are better. Navy has more history and a stronger culture where as the AF is like the little brother always trying to prove himself to his big brothers. The AF leadership has a bit of an inferiority complex. Over all the AF lifestyle is better though.
One thing to consider about the reserves is the mission. If you're ANG you'll likely have a real mission at your base where you drill and therefore have a real chance to do something useful. In other branches its not so clear. I mean if you have a Navy reserve center in Ark, WTF are you going to do if you have a shipboard rate/MOS?
As for flying, its hard to get a pilot slot right off the street. Most times a unit may want you to enlist first and work in XYZ career for a year or two to evaluate you. Just to get to know you and see if you're worth a shite. Its not like the Oprah show where everyone gets a pilot slot.
Think of it this way, you have a crew chief that is a great worker, has his degree and is well liked. He's deployed a couple times and has been in for 4 years. He decides that at age 29 he wants to fly and he knows EXACTLY what he's getting himself into. Does leadership give him the slot or does it go to some person off the street the recruiting office says wants to fly and has a degree?
All said I highly recommend the ANG for a part time gig.
Scrooster, I work daily with 20 year olds coming into the military. Some of them are sharp as hell but almost none of them have any people skills and confrontation is like the black plague to them. My first supervisor punched me in the mouth, literally, within 2 weeks of being at my first duty station. I know I did WTF I was told after that though. If that happened now...
I suspect you could still get away with that in parts of the Army and Marines though.
Some of this shite was familiar. I joined the Navy in the 80s to see the world and learn how to work on shite. I got to see the engine room for 12-18 hours a day every damn day of a deployment. Not those nice clean nuke engine rooms, nope. We had those old built in the 1950s engine rooms with boilers that ran on oil, sweat and tears of the junior enlisted. The life of a MM on conventional surface craft. Did 6 and GTFO. But to answer the OP, yes I can fix and operate anything that runs on steam.
Joined the Navy Reserves for 2 years in the 90s, hated that shite. As much as I hated being stuck in the engine room at least we had a job and something to do. Being on land, going to drill weekends with nothing to do but busy work sucked.
Joined the Air National Guard in 2001.
I couldn't believe I got paid to do this. Started in Civil Engineering, loved it. Did a stint with Security Forces and enjoyed it too. So much so that I went active duty with it in 2004 as Security Forces. Really loved that but got forced to retrain into another career field 3 years ago. The Command Post career field wouldn't have been my 1st, 3rd or 27th choice but I've made the best of it and its rewarding in its own way. 3 more years and I'll prob punch my ticket.
OP, I've been in both Navy and AF. AF facilities, mission and all those little things are better. Navy has more history and a stronger culture where as the AF is like the little brother always trying to prove himself to his big brothers. The AF leadership has a bit of an inferiority complex. Over all the AF lifestyle is better though.
One thing to consider about the reserves is the mission. If you're ANG you'll likely have a real mission at your base where you drill and therefore have a real chance to do something useful. In other branches its not so clear. I mean if you have a Navy reserve center in Ark, WTF are you going to do if you have a shipboard rate/MOS?
As for flying, its hard to get a pilot slot right off the street. Most times a unit may want you to enlist first and work in XYZ career for a year or two to evaluate you. Just to get to know you and see if you're worth a shite. Its not like the Oprah show where everyone gets a pilot slot.
Think of it this way, you have a crew chief that is a great worker, has his degree and is well liked. He's deployed a couple times and has been in for 4 years. He decides that at age 29 he wants to fly and he knows EXACTLY what he's getting himself into. Does leadership give him the slot or does it go to some person off the street the recruiting office says wants to fly and has a degree?
All said I highly recommend the ANG for a part time gig.
Scrooster, I work daily with 20 year olds coming into the military. Some of them are sharp as hell but almost none of them have any people skills and confrontation is like the black plague to them. My first supervisor punched me in the mouth, literally, within 2 weeks of being at my first duty station. I know I did WTF I was told after that though. If that happened now...
I suspect you could still get away with that in parts of the Army and Marines though.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 6:41 am to scrooster
I agree, I pensioned at 42 and I am working toward another. Experiences vary but most often if a Veteran is against joining he/she was probably a burden on their leadership and were not very good at what they do/did. That is OK, the Military is not for everyone. Good luck and I hope you find what you are looking for. BTW- Combat Arms personnel generally seem to be happier post-service.
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