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Posted on 5/31/14 at 6:54 pm to Alahunter
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Well.. Qatar is gonna keep an eye on them for a year for us.
Well, I'm glad it's settled. We have nothing to worry about.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:07 pm to Motengator
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My source tells me that Bergdahl arrived at a village and asked if anybody spoke English. That’s when he was captured.
Oh, thank God, an unnamed source to put me in my place.
Strange that the Taliban or the military didn't corroborate that.
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“an apparent deserter,
Probably reading from the same bull you've been reading from.
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A new article in Rolling Stone
The Rolling Stone!? They'd never sensationalize anything.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:08 pm to Alahunter
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Do you not see the ramifications that this swap is likely to lead to?
Maybe. Maybe a Predator will kill all 5 next week. Maybe one or more of them have flipped. Or maybe they'll engineer the next 9/11. I've no idea.
The one definite thing is an American soldier held captive over 4 years is now free.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:11 pm to finestfirst79
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The one definite thing is an American soldier held captive over 4 years is now free.
And the most important thing.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:12 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
You have now established yourself as a hopeless liberal demotard and I can no longer have a sensible conversation with you. I'm very sorry that you're stupid.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
1. Why would his captors come out and say that he fell into their hands? It's a far better story for them if they spin it as them actively "capturing" him. Those people are hardly honest sources for information. I was on BAF last year when that 747 crashed and they claimed they shot it down, they're full of shite usually.
2. Same applies to the military. It doesn't make sense for the Army to admit that.
3. I've always been skeptical because of how (thankfully) rare DUSTWUNs are in Afghanistan. There were five in OEF that I know of with Bergdahl being the first. The later four all went missing in pairs and were found dead within days. I also have a lot of trouble imagining a scenario in which a Soldier could just get snatched up like he supposedly was.
We're not completely fringe for thinking this. It's a pretty popular rumor/theory within the Army.
2. Same applies to the military. It doesn't make sense for the Army to admit that.
3. I've always been skeptical because of how (thankfully) rare DUSTWUNs are in Afghanistan. There were five in OEF that I know of with Bergdahl being the first. The later four all went missing in pairs and were found dead within days. I also have a lot of trouble imagining a scenario in which a Soldier could just get snatched up like he supposedly was.
We're not completely fringe for thinking this. It's a pretty popular rumor/theory within the Army.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:16 pm to finestfirst79
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maybe they'll engineer the next 9/11
Or more Americans will be kidnapped for more detainee exchanges. It was a bad precedent to set. There was no negotiations. The Taliban demanded those specific prisoners years ago, and they were given them for Bergdahl, as they demanded.
Don't get me wrong, I want every American home, but it can't be at the expense of strengthening those that are fundamentally set on the destruction of the U.S.. Especially, when they had ties to 9/11 and other planned attacks. It's mindboggling that this is ok with so many.
As far as the circumstances of his capture, I've not formed an opinion one way or the other, but there does seem to be questions that need to be answered. From his first video:
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In a July 2009 video, the first of five videos that the militants have released, Bergdahl is sitting cross-legged on a blanket, with a glass mug in front of him. He explains that he was captured after falling behind on a foot patrol with his unit: the First Battalion, 501 Infantry Regiment, Fourth Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division
Is it common for Combat Teams to allow men to fall behind? If yes, it's astonishing there hasn't been more kidnappings or deaths from it. If not, were there punishments and admonishments to those who left him behind? Has there been any from that group to speak out one way or the other on the abduction and what happened from their own account? If not, why?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:20 pm to Motengator
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You have now established yourself as a hopeless liberal demotard and I can no longer have a sensible conversation with you. I'm very sorry that you're stupid.
Haven't read the thread on white privilege yet, have ya?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:23 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Under U.S. law, the Obama administration is supposed to notify Congress 30 days in advance of the transfer of any detainee from Guantanamo. In this case, a U.S. official said such notification was made on Saturday after Bergdahl was in U.S. custody
Laws be damned, as well, I suppose.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:24 pm to KSGamecock
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1. Why would his captors come out and say that he fell into their hands? It's a far better story for them if they spin it as them actively "capturing" him. Those people are hardly honest sources for information. I was on BAF last year when that 747 crashed and they claimed they shot it down, they're full of shite usually.
They said he was drunk when he fell into their hands. Which is great propaganda.
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2. Same applies to the military. It doesn't make sense for the Army to admit that.
Army said at first that he just walked off in regular clothes with three Afghanis, that was their initial response.
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3. I've always been skeptical because of how (thankfully) rare DUSTWUNs are in Afghanistan. There were five in OEF that I know of with Bergdahl being the first. The later four all went missing in pairs and were found dead within days. I also have a lot of trouble imagining a scenario in which a Soldier could just get snatched up like he supposedly was.
So you haven't heard too many Afghani police turning their weapons on blue forces before, eh? It'd be really easy to slip off with a lone soldier.
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We're not completely fringe for thinking this. It's a pretty popular rumor/theory within the Army.
I didn't see anything regarding desertion -- just a vague statement about someone demanding some explanations...which would be normal given the circumstances.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:28 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Army said at first that he just walked off in regular clothes with three Afghanis, that was their initial response
Still seems to be in conflict with his claim in a video.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:32 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Haven't read the thread on white privilege yet, have ya?
Nah, I'm Native American. That thread didn't interest me. I know all about "privilege" or the lack there of. I might make my way over there to see if I can get a better read on you though. I'm a very reactionary reader, I often jump to conclusions before all the facts are out. I will wait patiently for them though, while I hold my opinion.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:35 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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So you haven't heard too many Afghani police turning their weapons on blue forces before, eh? It'd be really easy to slip off with a lone soldier.
Oh god no. It would not be relatively easy for them to just slip off with one lone Soldier.
I'd love to post the little CALL pocket manual I had on green-on-blue attacks. The Bergdahl story has nothing in common with them. Many if not most of them are disgruntled ANA/ANP turning on trainers who they feel have insulted them. The others are infiltrators who go for the big score if you will. The Bergdahl story, whatever you want to believe about it, bears little resemblance to how they go down - getting a Soldier to just walk off to be kidnapped or killed - it makes zero sense in that context.
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I didn't see anything regarding desertion -- just a vague statement about someone demanding some explanations...which would be normal given the circumstances.
It's heavily heavily implied. That's what the comment is referencing...the rumor that Bergdahl walked off...and it also got the most upvotes. A layman wouldn't get the reference just like a lurker here may not pick up on what "Germans" means.
I said I wouldn't try to convince you and here I am writing like I'm trying to convince you.
Like I said earlier; I respect your opinion and completely understand why you have the one you do. If I was in your position I wouldn't believe the theory either.
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 7:47 pm to KSGamecock
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Like I said earlier; I respect your opinion and completely understand why you have the one you do. If I was in your position I wouldn't believe the theory either.
I'm more of the: Let's wait and see ilk.
I'm not convinced he didn't desert (it's plausible), but it'd be super convenient if at least one credible source came out and said he did.
It's implied, but not outright asserted and at this point there are way too many moving pieces who have a -lot- to gain or lose. Unless the military or himself comes out and flat says that he deserted I'll give him the "innocent until proven guilty" buffer.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I hope this idiot gets court martialed.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:27 pm to Alahunter
I'm with you.. I'm glad the boy is home, but giving 5 tier 1 guys over to the Haqqani network is pretty fricking retarded.
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I'm more of the: Let's wait and see ilk.
I'm not convinced he didn't desert (it's plausible), but it'd be super convenient if at least one credible source came out and said he did.
It's implied, but not outright asserted and at this point there are way too many moving pieces who have a -lot- to gain or lose. Unless the military or himself comes out and flat says that he deserted I'll give him the "innocent until proven guilty" buffer.
In the early-morning hours of June 30th, according to soldiers in the unit, Bowe approached his team leader not long after he got off guard duty and asked his superior a simple question: If I were to leave the base, would it cause problems if I took my sensitive equipment?
Yes, his team leader responded — if you took your rifle and night-vision goggles, that would cause problems.
Bowe returned to his barracks, a roughly built bunker of plywood and sandbags. He gathered up water, a knife, his digital camera and his diary. Then he slipped off the outpost.
https://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/new-report-says-captive-u-s-solider-left-his-post-willingly/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&
This post was edited on 5/31/14 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 5/31/14 at 9:36 pm to Alahunter
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Laws be damned, as well, I suppose.
Since when has this admin given a shite about the law?
Posted on 5/31/14 at 10:05 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
This guy walked off post but I'm sure he'll be honored as a hero.
It's sad that so many sacrificed to find this selfish bastard. Im all for not participating in a war you don't agree with, but don't frick your unit because of a personal crusade.
I can only imagine that there will be a new SERE CBT because of this a-hole.
It's sad that so many sacrificed to find this selfish bastard. Im all for not participating in a war you don't agree with, but don't frick your unit because of a personal crusade.
I can only imagine that there will be a new SERE CBT because of this a-hole.
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