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re: Just wait for ISIS a**holes...
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:18 pm to Allyn McKeen
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:18 pm to Allyn McKeen
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Exhibit A - Ft Hood, TX.
Exhibit B - Chattanooga, TN.
In both cases those are attacks against either a military installation or a recruiting office: people they knew would be unarmed because soldiers are not allowed to carry sidearms on duty. They weren't attacks against the general population in public. So you actually made my point. They're not attacking Houston, Dallas, Atlanta or New Orleans where people pack guns.
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:24 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Still, you have potentially hundreds of armed citizens in a large metro city against a handful of terrorists. Would definitely make a difference.
There would be a large number of US civilians killing US civilians in that scenario. They see a person with a gun, point and pull the trigger.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:27 pm to Cooter Davenport
You think military sites are the only soft targets in the south?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:51 pm to arkiebrian
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BS it happens a lot you just don't know where to find the stories they aren't widely reported.
No, it doesn't happen a lot.
A person shooting an innocent bystander WILL be widely reported. It will go national immediately for the same reasons LE hitting innocent bystanders goes national immediately. You don't see the stories because it doesn't happen.
I'm not talking about two groups of gang-bangers or outlaw bikers shooting it out somewhere or even someone misidentifying a burgler and shooting the neighbor's kid. I'm talking about engaging a known, clearly identified threat.
In those cases, concealed carry holders are very selective about when to engage a bad guy. If you follow the link giving examples of mass shooting that were stopped, you'll see the Clackamas guy didn't fire because there were bystanders in his line. He still stopped the shooting because when the gunman saw him, he killed himself.
I'm sorry the facts don't fit your narrative.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 12:54 pm to Allyn McKeen
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You think military sites are the only soft targets in the south?
There are other soft targets, but in most other cases there are armed citizens around.
Look, I really don't think you get the mindset or goals of ISIS-level groups. If they want to do what they did in France in the U.S. they are going to go for the highest symbolic & shock values possible. The Ft. Hood & Chattanooga shootings were lone-wolf types perpetrated by radicalized Americans egged on by Imams on the outside, not AQ or ISIS central. In the case of a big Paris-style attack, the whole thing was planned way beforehand by major leaders of ISIS and the the actual perpetrators were snuck in for the purpose of making the attack. They weren't just some radicalized Americans going off half-cocked. THAT kind of attack - the Paris kind - which is organized by ISIS well beforehand, won't even have the south in mind at all. They couldn't care less about the south. They don't even know what or where it is. They want to make a major propaganda statement. A major shock. That isn't Birmingham. Or even a big city like Houston, which nobody internationally cares about. It's D.C., NYC, SFO, downtown Chicago, etc. A trophy.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 2:21 pm to Stonehog
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What's your favorite EDC? I'm looking at getting a Shield because my 92 FS is a little big to carry. They have them at Academy for $389 which is practically free for what you get.
G27
Posted on 11/17/15 at 5:01 pm to JustGetItRight
The bottom line for me is...at least I would have a fighting chance if I was carrying vs no chance at all if not.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 6:01 pm to Cooter Davenport
Absolutely agree. Especially when most southern cities are filled with gangbangers and pissed off rednecks too.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 6:08 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Just what we need. Poorly trained radicals going up against a bunch of gun toting amateurs
I can shoot the ear off a squirrel at 500 ....
oh, nevermind, gfy
Posted on 11/17/15 at 7:47 pm to auggie
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are Marines, SF
One of these is not like the other
Posted on 11/17/15 at 9:08 pm to ABearsFanNMS
You underestimate the shooting skills of the average redneck. Shooting squirrels, ducks and other quick, small game isn't as easy as it may seem. 
I can get you a bunch of ol'boys that can make 300-400 yard shots with ease. With modern optics, it's not that hard. Hell, we shoot for fun and have since we were kids. For a lot of baws, shooting shite is second nature.
Outcome would probably be the same, they'd attack a gun free zone. They know better than to pull that shite at a small town football game.
I can get you a bunch of ol'boys that can make 300-400 yard shots with ease. With modern optics, it's not that hard. Hell, we shoot for fun and have since we were kids. For a lot of baws, shooting shite is second nature. Outcome would probably be the same, they'd attack a gun free zone. They know better than to pull that shite at a small town football game.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:09 am to SmackoverHawg
I don't see the local billy bad-arse getting the drop on Achmed and his bomb laden suicide vest.
I'll give you that Omar with a steak knife would be chopped liver by the time all was said and done.
I'll give you that Omar with a steak knife would be chopped liver by the time all was said and done.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:01 pm to arkiebrian
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Me too
Me three.
Shield or a G19 or a J-frame snub always go with me. Sometimes I'll even take two lol. I always at least have something.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 3:01 pm to Jagd Tiger
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Just wait for ISIS a**holes...
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...to try an attack like that in an American city with an armed populace. It will turn out very differently compared to what happened in Paris.
why?
our cities are full of the same retarded gutless multicultural progressives that Paris is lousy with.
Are you saying our SWAT teams are better shots?
Ok, but it really isn't going to be a huge difference maker.
You're right about the gutless progressives.
And while I am in total agreement philosophically with the folks in this thread who talk tough about carrying themselves, some of the comments are just stupid.
What if the ISIS assholes show up armed to the teeth in a half dozen malls around the country on Black Friday? At least 1,000 Americans will get killed. Sure, they'll get taken out...but do you think they care? They'll probably detonate their suicide vests before someone with a gun gets to them anyway. Remember that several of the guys in Paris blew themselves up.
When was the last time you got patted down at an SEC stadium? The bad guy at the stadium France didn't get in because they patted him down, and he backed away from the guards and then detonated himself. He only killed himself.
That same guy would have gotten into BDS or Tiger Stadium and taken out 1,000 people.
Oh yeah...things would have turned out "very differently compared to what happened in Paris"...that's for sure.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 3:18 pm to Cooter Davenport
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If they want to do what they did in France in the U.S. they are going to go for the highest symbolic & shock values possible.
Which would be a series of major sporting events, simultaneously. How about suicide bombers in every NBA arena one night? Bring the entire NBA season to a screeching halt. Have you ever been patted down going into Kyle Field? The last time I was patted down at a sporting event in the United States was never. If ISIS wanted to do that, there isn't one damn thing that anyone could do to stop it.
The lives of all of those people in the stadium in Paris were spared not because someone killed the bomber before he could carry out the attack. He was stopped because security patted him down, discovered the vest, and he backed away from them and then detonated it...before he could get in.
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