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re: John Boehner to resign from Congress.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:32 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:32 pm to The Spleen
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Yeah I'm not really sure what "true conservatives" wanted out of Boehner. I don't think he was an exceptionally good(nor exceptionally bad) Speaker, but I think he prevented a lot of egg from being on Republicans' faces.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. And he gained zero.
Obamacare is an egg on the face of this entire country. I don't see any Dems apologizing for it. Egg not on the face isn't the goal of politics. Enacting policies and laws which further ideals is. Boehner didn't do shite about that.
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:33 pm to DownSouthJukin
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There are no R's and D's anymore. There is only $$$
This. The very very few that truly do have convictions and try to abide by them, are labeled unreasonable and extremists.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:34 pm to Person of interest
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You mean like they are doing right now?
1. Where was Politico when this was happening to Bush's nominations? What major media outlet was championing Bush's nominations and deriding Senate Democrats for halting the nominations?
2. How many nominations were held up by the Democrats for the 8 years of Bush's presidency vs. now?
3. How many nominations were made during those years for vacancies vs. now (Remember-there has to be a vacancy for a nomination-so the statistic of fewest confirmations doesn't hold any water unless compared in light of the number of vacancies and nominations. If this is too much mental gymnastics, then from the article here is the number based on bare confirmations: "So far, Obama has gotten 311 judges installed nationwide — compared with 276 for Bush at the same point in his presidency.")
This is priceless:
“It’s ridiculous,” said Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, who chaired the Judiciary Committee when Democrats held the majority. “They’re trying to politicize the courts. And it’s irresponsible. I refused to do that with President Reagan. I refused to do that with President [George W.] Bush.”
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:34 pm to the808bass
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The Beltway Republicans' problems are their own making. Don't ask us to cry for them.
I'm not.
The reps are certainly a big part of the problem, but also the problem is a function of the people electing them.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:34 pm to TT9
Especially on the supreme court, then congress.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:38 pm to Duke
The rank and file Republicans are extremely jaded. I think the current polling for the nomination is pretty good evidence of that.
We've seen Democrats refuse to compromise on issue after issue and eventually get their way. We've been told we simply need to be more reasonable and we can find a middle path. There's no middle path. It's capitulation. Boehner's Speaker time exemplified it. The anger at him is in large part his own making. Forming coalitions is his job. He sucked at it. Walk the plank.
We've seen Democrats refuse to compromise on issue after issue and eventually get their way. We've been told we simply need to be more reasonable and we can find a middle path. There's no middle path. It's capitulation. Boehner's Speaker time exemplified it. The anger at him is in large part his own making. Forming coalitions is his job. He sucked at it. Walk the plank.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:45 pm to Alahunter
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a more reasonable GOP has made them D's of 20 yrs ago.
That's not what I mean. You've got a very conservative philosophy, some may call you extreme. Yet, I can have a discussion with you and sometimes even work toward a consensus. That's what I mean by reasonable.
The problem I see is an electorate that demands perfect for their ideology, or its a failure. Perfect is impossible. There's no room to find the good.
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That's simply code for, R's need to buy into the socialist program being pushed by the left and the media.
The left who wants that are being just as unreasonable, accepting your socialist point at face value.
What I'm calling for is a political climate open to discussion, instead of the outrage cycle far too many are caught up in.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:49 pm to the808bass
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The rank and file Republicans are extremely jaded. I think the current polling for the nomination is pretty good evidence of that.
I think it's evidence of both your point and mine about the electorate.
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We've seen Democrats refuse to compromise on issue after issue and eventually get their way.
That's not being "reasonable" as I see it either. The right certainly isn't alone on the lack of compromise. Having a Dem POTUS just gave them the advantage to not have to give in.
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The anger at him is in large part his own making. Forming coalitions is his job. He sucked at it. Walk the plank.
He wasn't that bad for the environment, but I do understand your perspective.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:11 pm to Duke
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You've got a very conservative philosophy, some may call you extreme
Believe it or not, I've actually mellowed a bit.
Like I said, the goalposts have moved towards the left over the last couple of decades to the point that a truly Conservative point of view is considered extreme now.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:16 pm to Alahunter
The goalposts in this country have always been moving left, and will always move left. A strong conservative party is important to keep them from moving too far left, too quickly.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:20 pm to The Spleen
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A strong conservative party
Does not exist in America
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:21 pm to Tropic Lightning
Goodbye America's credit rating.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 3:57 pm to The Spleen
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The goalposts in this country have always been moving left, and will always move left. A strong conservative party is important to keep them from moving too far left, too quickly.
They won't always move left. When we run out of OPM, fascism will snap it back to somewhere else. And it won't be pretty. It won't be liberal or conservative. Of course, it won't really be America either.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 4:26 pm to Alahunter
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Like I said, the goalposts have moved towards the left over the last couple of decades to the point that a truly Conservative point of view is considered extreme now.
Got any examples?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 7:19 pm to CatFan81
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bullshite. That son of a bitch wants favoritism, but only for white Christian conservatives.
Why not? Women and every minority group abdicate for favoritism so why can't we?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:10 pm to deltaland
If an outsider were to read this thread as fact they would think that the roles in america are completely reversed from reality. Amazing.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 8:17 pm to Russvegas Dan
@tperkins: Biggest applause at Values Voter Summit was when @marcorubio announced @SpeakerBoehner's resignation.
This would have happened at every single gathering of R candidates. Sadly, R's still won't/can't figure out that their leadership is at odds with the majority of the base now.
This would have happened at every single gathering of R candidates. Sadly, R's still won't/can't figure out that their leadership is at odds with the majority of the base now.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:03 pm to Alahunter
They know they're at odds with their base. They don't care.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:05 pm to the808bass
They will when the $ runs because their influence is dwindling.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 9:54 pm to the808bass
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they're at odds with their base. They don't care.
Probably because their base is obese rednecks.
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