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re: John Boehner to resign from Congress.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:02 pm to the808bass
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:02 pm to the808bass
Doesn't have anything to do with it.
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:04 pm to DownSouthJukin
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the "moderate" that is sold to the masses is well-left of center
Absolute truth. Boehner, in 1995 would have been a Democrat with his policies. There has been a shift to the left in great magnitude over the last 25 yrs.
Everyone that gets labeled "extremist" today, was simply a Conservative back then. Clinton, as much as I despised him and his policies, would be more in line with the establishment R's of today.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:04 pm to TT9
I don't know what you're saying. But you usually have no idea either so I'll ignore it.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:06 pm to the808bass
I was agreeing with you. Geez!!
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:07 pm to DownSouthJukin
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*For the record, I think both parties are culpable for the shite state of affairs of our country.
I never said they weren't. There's plenty of blame to spread around. And I've chosen to abstain from elections over the last few years largely due to not wanting to pick the lesser of two evils (and I'm not talking about just for Presidential elections). Which is why I noted extremists on both sides.
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Democrats want everyone to work together when it suits them, and accuse the Republicans of obstructionism and uber-conservatism when they don't, and the Democrats have the media in their back pocket to assist.
There are maybe a handful of any of that bunch on the Hill right now that is willing to work together. From the top to the bottom.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:09 pm to Alahunter
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Boehner, in 1995 would have been a Democrat with his policies. There has been a shift to the left in great magnitude over the last 25 yrs.
Everyone that gets labeled "extremist" today, was simply a Conservative back then. Clinton, as much as I despised him and his policies, would be more in line with the establishment R's of today.
All true.
Don't even get me started on what the Democrats would have done had Bush started the wholesale issuance of visas to, say, middle and upper class Western European immigrants, in stark violation of US immigration law...
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:13 pm to Alahunter
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A true Conservative with backbone could actually force compromise, instead of capitulation to Obama's policy's, as Boehner has done time and time again.
How? The problem is getting things through the Senate and the veto. He's had next to zero leverage to really fight back.
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The position, sure. But he made it easy by threatening his own party members and consistently siding with Dems.
He's done those things because he's got a caucus who refuses to back anything that has a prayer of getting through the senate. You'd get more possible conservative positions through if a large fraction of the right wasn't so unreasonable. Thus he's left needing the Dems to pass necessary legislation.
Do realize I know the GOP caucus isn't the only unreasonable end of this problem. Boehner has been a fairly pragmatic speaker. I can tell because the right and left hate the guy.
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Instead of seeing the growing divide and reaching out to party members, he threatened and took away assignments. Essentially creating a bigger divide and making things more ineffective.
Reaching out to the right makes him more ineffective at his job. It keeps the caucus happy at the cost of doing his job. It's not like the right is making any effort to reach back his way.
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The RINO's would have been better served to have used Dem tactics and strongarmed the D party into their policies and forcing Obama into a lame duck Presidency, when they took over both the Senate and the House.
And you begin handing away hopes for getting a R in the WH in 2016. Obama vetos, lays out what sounds like a reasonable proposal, and the GOP carries more blame for the shite legislature. If you believe in the liberal MSM, you know that is exactly what happens.
The dynamic isn't solely a conservative problem, but a more reasonable GOP serves as a way more effective check on liberal do gooder bullshite.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
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There are maybe a handful of any of that bunch on the Hill right now that is willing to work together. From the top to the bottom.
You're smarter than that.
Again, that's what they want you to think. They all walk around all day long with each others dicks in their hands, and lobbyist's dicks in their asses, then get on TV and spout a line of bullshite on the news for those poor sods dumb enough to believe it, then all go over to the Mayflower and let the lobbyists take turns buying them drinks and dinner, telling them how important they are, and reminding them that they are all smarter than us.
There are no R's and D's anymore. There is only $$$.
This post was edited on 9/25/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:15 pm to Duke
Who's the McCarthy guy they say might be taking his place?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:16 pm to TT9
He's former whip and current majority leader. He's out of California.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:18 pm to DownSouthJukin
So in other words, the whole bunch is not willing to work together. As I said. 
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:22 pm to DrunkerThanThou
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The fact that politics is a career choice is the root of america's problems. Everything else stems from that
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:23 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Remember what the Senate Democrats did to Bush's judicial appointments throughout both terms of his presidency? Sheer, unadulterated obstructionism. Just think if the Republicans had tried that. You would have thought that the sky was falling.
You mean like they are doing right now?
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:24 pm to DownSouthJukin
Its sad when a country is run by money and not ethics. That's one of the first things we need to fix.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:24 pm to Duke
Yeah I'm not really sure what "true conservatives" wanted out of Boehner. I don't think he was an exceptionally good(nor exceptionally bad) Speaker, but I think he prevented a lot of egg from being on Republicans' faces.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:25 pm to BluegrassBelle
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So in other words, the whole bunch is not willing to work together. As I said.
No-the opposite. They all work together too well. They are all the same. Sausage making is ugly, and it should be. But they're not making sausage. They're lining their pockets, and the pockets of their corporate friends and lobbyists. When a politician does something, the question should be, "For what good does this do his constituents, or the causes championed by them?"
Instead, the question, unfortunately today, is, "How does this benefit him/her?"
They're all in it for themselves, and the only way to get all that they can before getting found out or caught cracking a stripper, is to work together for the benefit of them and the detriment of us.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:27 pm to Tropic Lightning
They'll replace him with another establishment stooge. Both Dems and Reps are led by the nose by the same groups of people.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:30 pm to Duke
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He's done those things because he's got a caucus who refuses to back anything that has a prayer of getting through the senate. You'd get more possible conservative positions through if a large fraction of the right wasn't so unreasonable. Thus he's left needing the Dems to pass necessary legislation.
Because he's a frickstick.
The Beltway Republicans' problems are their own making. Don't ask us to cry for them.
They talk strategy and pragmatism. But they lose on issues and votes. So no one's impressed with their pragmatism. If they could point to results, it would be a different story. They can't.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:31 pm to Duke
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The problem is getting things through the Senate and the veto. He's had next to zero leverage to really fight back
So force a veto, over and over. Who's going to start feeling more heat to compromise when they are sending him legislation?
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He's done those things because he's got a caucus who refuses to back anything that has a prayer of getting through the senate. You'd get more possible conservative positions through if a large fraction of the right wasn't so unreasonable. Thus he's left needing the Dems to pass necessary legislation.
They have the majority, because these "unreasonable" people on the right put them in office. The terms the media has gotten a lot of the public to buy into.. "unreasonable" this.. "reasonable" that... is part of the problem as well. As I said.. he could pass necessary legislation and force Obama to veto if he doesn't want it, and force Dems to the table. Instead, he chose to attack his own party and is a huge part of the problem.
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Reaching out to the right makes him more ineffective at his job
Absolutely disagree. His actions, and those few that support him, is why there is such a fraction in the R party now and why so many are ready to bolt from it after a lifetime of supporting them.
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It's not like the right is making any effort to reach back his way.
So, now you see, he isn't to the right. And someone "leading" a party that he isn't ideologically in step with is a disaster. He never should have been put in the position he was.
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Obama vetos, lays out what sounds like a reasonable proposal
He's yet to do that. With any proposal he's made, from Obamacare, to the bailouts, to Iran. It's been one disastrous policy after another.
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the GOP carries more blame for the shite legislature. If you believe in the liberal MSM, you know that is exactly what happens.
I do. I'd rather them get blamed for doing what they were voted into place for though, instead of being a lapdog for Obama and the D's.
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a more reasonable GOP
a more reasonable GOP has made them D's of 20 yrs ago. Continuing down that path will only lead to more socialistic views and larger problems down the road. Having had the advantage of seeing firsthand the shift in policies and agendas by both parties, there is no doubt where things are headed at if we keep saying that a Conservative needs to be "reasonable". That's simply code for, R's need to buy into the socialist program being pushed by the left and the media.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:32 pm to jcolding41
Term limits!! We need them.
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