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re: Is Mississippi the Hate State?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:51 pm to Pinche Cabron
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:51 pm to Pinche Cabron
Please elaborate
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:52 pm to DynastyDawg
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I am saying that if people want to it should be their right, for whatever reason.
Again with this....can you not see how utterly ridiculous your premise is?...
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:54 pm to cas4t
The Bible is very explicit on homosexual relationships, specifically mentioning even the two roles of the men in a homosexual relationship.
Please... please have your discussion. Grind your beliefs on your adversaries. But don't say what the Bible says about it unless you really know yourself.
Thanks
Please... please have your discussion. Grind your beliefs on your adversaries. But don't say what the Bible says about it unless you really know yourself.
Thanks
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:56 pm to Pinche Cabron
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Please... please have your discussion.
Thanks but we don't live in a theocracy
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:58 pm to 14&Counting
Correct... so why bring the Bible into it trying to proof text a book you don't even believe in to bolster your argument?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:58 pm to Pinche Cabron
my step father is a pastor, I'm pretty well versed, thanks.
Leviticus also says a man who lies with a man should be put to death. Pardon me for believing that this is not what my God thinks about his children, but someone that transcribed the Bible at some point did.
Leviticus also says a man who lies with a man should be put to death. Pardon me for believing that this is not what my God thinks about his children, but someone that transcribed the Bible at some point did.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:59 pm to cas4t
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Why do you think the business owner's rights are more important than the consumer (whether he or she be black, gay, etc)? Why such a affinity for business owner rights? What about civil rights? Human rights?
It's not about consumer vs business owner rights. Religion is a protected category from discrimination at the workplace just like race, gender, disability, etc. You shouldn't be able to force someone to participate in something that goes against their sincere religious convictions at work by threat of legal punishment.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:59 pm to Pinche Cabron
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Correct... so why bring the Bible into it trying to proof text a book you don't even believe in to bolster your argument?
because the root of all of this with Mississippi and this law is religion. You know it. I know it. Christians don't want to serve gays and this law is catering to that. Plain and simple.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:59 pm to cas4t
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read this
That link is blocked for me.
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The Bible doesn't even say what you think it says about homosexuality. Homosexuality wasn't even a concept that was understood in Biblical times.
Well, other than to tell you that you're wrong, I don't know what else to say.
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Genesis chapter 19
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"Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'"
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Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..."
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The Hebrew word translated "detestable" refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an "abomination." Similarly, Jude 7 declares, "...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:00 pm to cas4t
There ARE passages in the NT that speak to this.
Have your argument - but please don't drag the Bible into it. Thanks
Have your argument - but please don't drag the Bible into it. Thanks
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:01 pm to DynastyDawg
I don't feel like going down this rabbit hole. I'm well aware of each and every one of those verses. I'll just leave it at that.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:02 pm to Pinche Cabron
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There ARE passages in the NT that speak to this.
So we can both agree we pick and choose to agree and disagree with certain verses in the Bible?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:03 pm to TheRodFather
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You shouldn't be able to force someone to participate in something that goes against their sincere religious convictions at work by threat of legal punishment.
Baking a cake for a gay couple doesn't go against any Christianity sect that I've ever heard of.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:03 pm to cas4t
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Leviticus also says a man who lies with a man should be put to death. Pardon me for believing that this is not what my God thinks about his children, but someone that transcribed the Bible at some point did.
This brings about another good point. Almost all Christians take different meanings from different passages. A lot of Christians disagree about the relevance of the Old Testament altogether and how it relates to today.
ETA: I'm giving you examples of what some Christians may use as their justification.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:03 pm to Pinche Cabron
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Have your argument - but please don't drag the Bible into it. Thanks
Also, you're not the keeper of the Bible. If you don't like folks bringing it into the conversation than you can kindly go to another thread.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:05 pm to DynastyDawg
Neither the New testament nor the Old testament were written by God.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:05 pm to cas4t
And? I don't disagree with that.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:06 pm to Pinche Cabron
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so why bring the Bible into it trying to proof text a book you don't even believe in to bolster your argument?
Forget about the Bible and all this religious stuff.
This law boils down to fact that the State wants to allow business owners to make subjective discriminatory decisions on matters of commerce based on someone's perceived sexual orientation. Further, I assume you could extrapolate that argument to allow for discriminatory practices against other sub-groups of people based on some subjective religious criteria...name whatever religion you want because you have set that precedent
If you cannot see why that is bad for commerce and for this country, then I cannot help you.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:06 pm to DynastyDawg
If you're an atheist blaming religion, then you have to wonder why almost every civilization codified homosexuality as something bad in their laws and made up holy books if it is not something humans are naturally repulsed by.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:07 pm to cas4t
All that matters to me in reference to religion is that I worry about me. I try to do what is right and not worry about judging everyone else. However you are going to find other Christians that disagree with my viewpoint.
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