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re: Is it time to grant amnesty for illegal immigrants?
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:06 am to JoeMoTiger
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:06 am to JoeMoTiger
As long as it adds these motherfrickers to the US tax base, Im all in. They are here anyway. As long as they pay their fair share, Im good with it. However, the criminals need to get the frick back to Mexico or where ever. They should be aggressively deported.
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Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:28 am to Pavoloco83
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As long as it adds these motherfrickers to the US tax base, Im all in.
Agree.
Although I think they technically do pay state-taxes through purchases.
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As long as they pay their fair share, Im good with it. However, the criminals need to get the frick back to Mexico or where ever. They should be aggressively deported.
I can agree with this as well -- America and Mexico should set up a deportation point in which Mexico provides the buses and we should drop them on their side of the fence so to speak. If they're criminals.
People living humble lives and working hard needn't be bothered with immigration bull.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:31 am to Roger Klarvin
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In my opinion, there is a line between disliking illegal immigration (which I do) and simply not wanting anymore Mexicans in America. I get the feeling that for many, the latter and not the former is their reasoning.
Bingo.
I can't possibly overstate how strongly I oppose illegal immigration. I'm a "put the army on the borders with live rounds if that's what it takes to stop it" guy.
Having said that, the Mexicans that come here (and let's be honest, Mexicans are the only reason this is an issue. There aren't enough illegal immigrants from other places to matter) are overwhelmingly hard working, family oriented, good people looking for a better life. In other words, pretty much just like the other immigrant groups that made the country.
What needs to happen is 1) secure the border. Nobody should be able to just walk in. 2) create a process to let someone who wants to come in and work do so legally. They pay FICA and everything we do. If they never become citizens, that's just the cost of getting to live and work here. 3) Create a window for those already here to register and get legal. Deep down, I don't like it but I also despise the idea of uprooting families that have been nothing but good members of their communities so it is the only fair thing to do. 4) Anybody here illegally after the window closes never gets let back in EVER. If they're caught after deportation, then they go to prison for a long time.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:33 am to JustGetItRight
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Having said that, the Mexicans that come here (and let's be honest, Mexicans are the only reason this is an issue. There aren't enough illegal immigrants from other places to matter) are overwhelmingly hard working, family oriented, good people looking for a better life. In other words, pretty much just like the other immigrant groups that made the country.
Having lived in Mexico City and seen La Bestia -- it's not just Mexicans. South Americans in general come up through Mexico and sometimes get stuck here. In fact, I think there's far more traffic from the rest of South America than Mexico lately.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:34 am to JoeMoTiger
The solution would be to let them go register for work visas easily and have them pay taxes but keep them out of the welfare and SS system while still forcing them to pay full taxes while working.
People keep claiming that all these illegals don't pay income taxes but that is simply not true. I would argue that at least half are on payrolls and are paying taxes and are better members to society than half of the citizens of this country.
People keep claiming that all these illegals don't pay income taxes but that is simply not true. I would argue that at least half are on payrolls and are paying taxes and are better members to society than half of the citizens of this country.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:38 am to Warfarer
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The solution would be to let them go register for work visas easily and have them pay taxes but keep them out of the welfare and SS system while still forcing them to pay full taxes while working.
I really don't know why we don't do this. I'm sure if you gave them a six month work visa (that necessitated renewing, one year for those who have demonstrated that they go by the rules) and got them a tax code that we could make some good money off of it and they could carry their weight.
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People keep claiming that all these illegals don't pay income taxes but that is simply not true. I would argue that at least half are on payrolls and are paying taxes and are better members to society than half of the citizens of this country.
They do pay sales tax, but apart from that I have no idea how they would get on the tax code while simultaneously being illegal.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 9:48 am to JoeMoTiger
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Estimates have 10-15 million illegals, BLS says the US has a labor force participation of 62.8% of the working population which is 16-64 yrs of age, a healthy number is 68%, with those facts does it hurt the US or help to grant amnesty and be done with this political football. Economist, Larry Kudlow says the US needs these undocumented workers and this would add 1% to GDP. Ths makes no sense to me, maybe someone on Rant can explain Kudlows position.
I can't explain his media pandering position any better than he can but, if we don't curtail (again) this unlimited immigration especially from third world countries we never colonized we will eventually turn into a third world country.
Maybe the SOCUS should stop it and take it out of the hands of the political doofuses.
Australia & Canada have a pretty nice system in place and nobody is bitching up a storm.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:06 am to Warfarer
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I would argue that at least half are on payrolls and are paying taxes and are better members to society than half of the citizens of this country.
Better members of society than a lot of American citizens? Yep. Fully agree.
On payroll and paying taxes? Not in any fashion that you want. They're here illegally so they don't have a social security number or immigration documents. That means the I-9 is a fake. The social security number is also stolen, which means that whomever holds that legit SSN is getting royally screwed. They'll get denied loans, have issues with the IRS, and have lots of other problems without ever knowing why. The really beautiful part is that the social security administration KNOWS it happens but cannot tell the victims because doing so is against the law.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I have no idea how they would get on the tax code while simultaneously being illegal.
They use a stolen SSN. It is called SSN-Only identity theft.
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 10:11 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:11 am to Warfarer
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People keep claiming that all these illegals don't pay income taxes but that is simply not true.
They're not paying income tax. They're paying FICA (sometimes). If they're off the books, they're not paying anything. They are paying minimal sales taxes because they are minimal purchasers. Much of their money goes back to their native country which is also a loss.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:15 am to Phat Phil
Mexican Spartans
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:34 am to JustGetItRight
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The really beautiful part is that the social security administration KNOWS it happens but cannot tell the victims because doing so is against the law.
I run a small construction company and all my guys pay taxes. About 10 years ago, SS office sent us a letter telling us that one of employees had a bad number and to call if we had questions. We called them and asked how we needed to proceed, if we should fire him. Their response was this: "oh no. Don't fire him until we call you back or send you another letter in how to proceed". We still haven't heard from them. Of course the guy is long gone now though.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:48 am to Warfarer
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I run a small construction company and all my guys pay taxes.
If they're paying income taxes and they're illegal, they haven't received proper training yet. Boost up the number of dependents and withhold as little as possible.
If they're illegal and filing income tax returns, they're multiplying their fraud.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 10:58 am to Warfarer
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I run a small construction company and all my guys pay taxes.
The people using stolen SSNs are paying taxes but they're hurting the people who really own that number.
As an aside, are you using e-verify?
This post was edited on 5/19/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/19/14 at 11:34 am to JustGetItRight
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As an aside, are you using e-verify?
Yeah. You have to now and I do mostly state jobs with certified payrolls. I am talking about years ago when that stuff went down
Posted on 5/19/14 at 2:32 pm to JoeMoTiger
Absolutely not! Illegal aliens are breaking American federal law. They need to GTFO!
Posted on 5/19/14 at 5:51 pm to Ridgewalker
I have a family living next door where the parents are here illegally. Only the father is in the workforce. They seem like decent people who work very hard. The parents have three small kids who were all born in the U.S. My question is this, they fly back home to Mexico to visit family multiple times per year. How are they allowed to purchase airline tickets when they are illegal and fly back and forth to Mexico? I don't blame the illegals for being here. I blame the Americans hiring them knowing that they are here illegally. I they couldn't find work, they wouldn't have a reason to come here. A friend of mine had a wreck with an illegal. The illegal jumped out a ran away. Everything on the car was bogus from the license plate to vehicle ownership. The illegals can't be traced if they commit a crime and they damn well know it. Illegal means illegal. If illegals get a free pass then I say let the people who are in jail for doing something illegal get a free pass too.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:00 pm to avondale88
It only matters to those of us who are legal. The illegals are too busy working. They DGAS
Posted on 5/19/14 at 7:16 pm to Warfarer
I know for a fact that the illegals don't pay any taxes at all. I found an old check stub two years ago that had an Hispanic name on it. No taxes were ever taken out according to this stub. I still have the check stub that I show to people who claim that the illegals pay federal and state taxes. Sure they pay sales taxes on items that they purchase because how in the hell would a store know who is illegal or legal? The check stub came from a Montgomery motel that has since gone away. The name of the motel was the Montgomery Inn. I'm a computer idiot. If I knew how to post a pic of the stub, then I would. My computer has a built in webcam. I know how to broadcast but I don't know the camera aspect of the cam. I guess that it's time for me to get off of my lazy arse and read the whole instruction book that came with my computer.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:10 pm to silverdawg
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I can't explain his media pandering position any better than he can but, if we don't curtail (again) this unlimited immigration especially from third world countries we never colonized we will eventually turn into a third world country. Maybe the SOCUS should stop it and take it out of the hands of the political doofuses. Australia & Canada have a pretty nice system in place and nobody is bitching up a storm.
I think the only viable solution is to declare war on Mehico, annex the bitch and we'll call it Texaco, problem solved.
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