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re: Is it time to grant amnesty for illegal immigrants?
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:41 pm to JoeMoTiger
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:41 pm to JoeMoTiger
Sorry for the bluntness. Sometimes I am not in a PC mood...
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Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:41 pm to Duke
We can continue in the AM, if you'd like or if we need to.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:44 pm to the808bass
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As soon as we make them eligible for free stuff, I see a neon sign flashing "moral hazard."
You missed the first sign, but I see your second sign bright and clear.
I again argue they are the people actually worth helping but the current broken incentives that make staying on the system more lucrative than working must be fixed before we take on millions more. You more proper conservatives really should take on that point when talking about welfare.
Oh and we revisit in the AM.
This post was edited on 5/18/14 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:54 pm to the808bass
Stopping illegal immigration is easy ,and we don't need a fence.
One..Enact the Mexican immigration laws,but don't apply them to the immigrants. Apply them to those that hire them. Two years in prison for anyone caught with one or more on the payroll.
Two...One parent must be a U.S.citizen for any child born here or in a U.S.Territory to be a U.S Citizen.
Three.. No eligibility for social services or any money whatsoever for anyone not a U.S Citizen. Stabilizing treatment only for illegals and then immediate arrest for anyone not a U.S.citizen or anyone not in the country legally. No one votes in any U.S.elections without proof of citizenship.
Four..Expand the Border Patrol train and arm them adequately and stop the drugs and other contraband coming over the border. Use troops if necessary.
Caught with contraband? 20 years,no parole.
Five...For those that are here..Amnesty,of a sort.
They have six months to show up at a processing center and report. After checking them out...for real..they will be issued an illegal alien ID Card. They can stay,and if they are working they will be allowed to work. But the rules for illegals apply. No social services period and no road to citizenship. Stabilizing treatment only in emergencies. Those that do not report will be jailed and then deported. We catch you a second time,you do 2 years.
No fence..problem solved.
One..Enact the Mexican immigration laws,but don't apply them to the immigrants. Apply them to those that hire them. Two years in prison for anyone caught with one or more on the payroll.
Two...One parent must be a U.S.citizen for any child born here or in a U.S.Territory to be a U.S Citizen.
Three.. No eligibility for social services or any money whatsoever for anyone not a U.S Citizen. Stabilizing treatment only for illegals and then immediate arrest for anyone not a U.S.citizen or anyone not in the country legally. No one votes in any U.S.elections without proof of citizenship.
Four..Expand the Border Patrol train and arm them adequately and stop the drugs and other contraband coming over the border. Use troops if necessary.
Caught with contraband? 20 years,no parole.
Five...For those that are here..Amnesty,of a sort.
They have six months to show up at a processing center and report. After checking them out...for real..they will be issued an illegal alien ID Card. They can stay,and if they are working they will be allowed to work. But the rules for illegals apply. No social services period and no road to citizenship. Stabilizing treatment only in emergencies. Those that do not report will be jailed and then deported. We catch you a second time,you do 2 years.
No fence..problem solved.
This post was edited on 5/18/14 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:56 pm to Duke
I don't know how many Bush or Obama deported but as of late many have left due to the economic downturn, particularly in construction.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 10:57 pm to the808bass
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If they're working a job, they're already paying FICA.
Not a lot of the time.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:00 pm to JoeMoTiger
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as of late many have left due to the economic downturn, particularly in construction.
And they'll come back once us millenials get our shite together and start buying houses/when the boomers actually retire. Short term economics are just blips on the long term treds.
Ok seriously, bed time!
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:27 pm to JoeMoTiger
No, been there done that.
Posted on 5/18/14 at 11:40 pm to antibarner
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Stopping illegal immigration is easy ,and we don't need a fence.
One..Enact the Mexican immigration laws,but don't apply them to the immigrants. Apply them to those that hire them. 5 years in prison for anyone caught with one or more on the payroll.
Two...One parent must be a U.S.citizen for any child born here or in a U.S.Territory to be a U.S Citizen.
Three.. No eligibility for social services or any money whatsoever for anyone not a U.S Citizen. Stabilizing treatment only for illegals and then immediate arrest for anyone not a U.S.citizen or anyone not in the country legally. No one votes in any U.S.elections without proof of citizenship.
Four..Expand the Border Patrol train and arm them adequately and stop the drugs and other contraband coming over the border. Use troops if necessary.
Caught with contraband? 20 years,no parole.
Five...For those that are here..Amnesty,of a sort.
They have six months to show up at a processing center and report. After checking them out...for real..they will be issued an illegal alien ID Card. They can stay,and if they are working they will be allowed to work. But the rules for illegals apply. No social services period and no road to citizenship. Stabilizing treatment only in emergencies. Those that do not report will be jailed and then deported. We catch you a second time,you do 10 years.
No fence..problem solved.
I agree with what you said except for 2 bits which I changed and bolded above.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 6:45 am to JoeMoTiger
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now what do young men do for work during the summer?
I worked for the YMCA for a two or three summers and was on a survey crew the second half of high school.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 7:21 am to Duke
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I again argue they are the people actually worth helping but the current broken incentives that make staying on the system more lucrative than working must be fixed before we take on millions more.
I agree with this. The nation won't collapse by providing some safety nets. It will collapse by making the safety net a hammock.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 7:22 am to Duke
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That's why I said "near the border" and not everywhere.
But it's not clear that border enforcement is markedly improved. It's just that their numbers are now being counted as a deportation when they previously weren't.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 7:35 am to JoeMoTiger
Not just no but frick no. Employers love them because they're cheap and they don't complain. American blue-collar workers are getting fricked in the arse though.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 7:51 am to Phat Phil
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Not just no but frick no. Employers love them because they're cheap and they don't complain. American blue-collar workers are getting fricked in the arse though.
Yeah we hard working people are screwed, Dims want the illegals for a voting block and Repubes want them for cheap labor, we're being played like a fiddle
Posted on 5/19/14 at 7:54 am to JoeMoTiger
No. Give them a path to citizenship.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:00 am to Duke
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millenials get our shite together
LOL. Good one.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:23 am to PrivatePublic
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LOL. Good one.
First of all:
We will/are, but it's going to take some time as the current young generation have some challenges to overcome. The boomers are working longer and the economy isn't exactly flush with jobs. They'll retire and position will start opening up so that some of our college debt can be payed down and we can start looking to actually get a home.
The recession has been especially hard on the under 30s, like most recessions are. It's a timing problem for us more than the "all millennials are lazy entitled shits". We're going to start working later and work later into life, it'll all even it's self out.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:27 am to JoeMoTiger
Yes, especially Americans living in Mexico.
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:34 am to the808bass
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It will collapse by making the safety net a hammock.
It's more like a trap than hammock. Make too much by working, you lose more than that in benefits. It leaves many to make the rational decision to stay on welfare. It's perverse. Immigrants are going to need a helping hand and it's a losing proposition to put many of them into that safety net.
Look at that, agreement. OMG. BBQ. Tittes.
I do think it's worth the actual investment of helping these folks out, but I doubt our ability to get any ROI within the current system.
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But it's not clear that border enforcement is markedly improved. It's just that their numbers are now being counted as a deportation when they previously weren't.
I can buy that. Let me guess, if I go digging I'll find different standards depending on how close to an election year it is or like a year before a push for immigration reform. Doncha just love politics?
All worthy discussions to have, but let's get back to the dirty of the thread. What do we do with the millions of illegals already here? Mass deportation is hardly practical and I'd rather them be documented than not. Any thoughts?
*I open the floor up to responses*
Posted on 5/19/14 at 8:40 am to JoeMoTiger
Build a damn wall, increase border security, grant amnesty, then enforce immigration laws. It would be too expensive to try and expel all of the immigrants here already and more efficient to fund the prevention of more.
Grant amnesty with the caveat that if they get convicted of a felony they will be deported.
Grant amnesty with the caveat that if they get convicted of a felony they will be deported.
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