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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:38 am to Duke
Not quite. But a part of it. How many times has he created racial situations with racial comments, without knowing the facts? Why the need for beer summits?
It goes deeper than race though, as neat as you'd like to categorize it. It's a profound hatred, I think, of what the country stands for and how it has been. What has he done, that has truly been in the best interest of the country? And what has happened under his tenure, that has damaged it?
It goes deeper than race though, as neat as you'd like to categorize it. It's a profound hatred, I think, of what the country stands for and how it has been. What has he done, that has truly been in the best interest of the country? And what has happened under his tenure, that has damaged it?
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:39 am to AUCatfish
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The sad fact is that every president does shitty things or is at least blamed for them. I don't say that to give Obama a pass, but to point out that it's nothing new.
One thing I've come to realize is for the opposite party of the sitting president, the buck stops with him on all the terrible stuff that's happened under every president. Dems did it when W was in office, Reps did it when Clinton was in office, etc., etc. It does seem to be ramped up under Obama though.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:42 am to Alahunter
I joke about you being a conspiracy theorist and a tin foil hat wearer, but Im starting to believe you are fricking insane.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:44 am to The Spleen
Perhaps Obama has more problems with his Presidency. As far as one party or the other, I have no problem addressing issues with other Presidents. I think the Patriot Act is one of the worst things to happen to this country and Bush deserves all the blame for it. I have more problems with Bush Sr. than right leaning folks do. I think he did several things that were harmful to citizens rights.
I think, Obama supporters are too quick to play the, ohhh.. you hate him because he's black card. It's the only thing they've got, because his policies can't be defended.
I think, Obama supporters are too quick to play the, ohhh.. you hate him because he's black card. It's the only thing they've got, because his policies can't be defended.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:45 am to TreyAnastasio
Feel free to point to policies that have strengthened this country, and those that have harmed it.
All I hear from you is jibber jabber, racist, conspiracy nut, with nothing of substance to put into the conversation. It's why you're viewed as a nothing but a troll on these topics.
All I hear from you is jibber jabber, racist, conspiracy nut, with nothing of substance to put into the conversation. It's why you're viewed as a nothing but a troll on these topics.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:45 am to Alahunter
Why does he hate America? (I asked V&S the same thing yesterday. Who knew he and Obama are in on this together?)
Him being a misguided do gooder liberal out of his depth seems much more likely than him systematically trying to ruin America because he hates apple pie and the American Way of life. Perhaps I'm naive, but I believe it beats paranoid.
Him being a misguided do gooder liberal out of his depth seems much more likely than him systematically trying to ruin America because he hates apple pie and the American Way of life. Perhaps I'm naive, but I believe it beats paranoid.
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:46 am to Duke
Start with his own biographies.
•In his memoir, Dreams from My Father, Obama recounts that he chose his friends “carefully” at Occidental, so as “to avoid being mistaken for a sellout.” Among those friends were all manner of radicals, including “the more politically active black students,” “the Chicanos,” “the Marxist Professors and the structural feminists.” Further, Obama writes that he and his similarly “alienated” college friends regularly discussed such topics as “neocolonialism, Franz Fanon [the socialist revolutionary], Eurocentrism, and patriarchy.”
•David Remnick’s highly sympathetic biography of Obama—The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack Obama—confirms that the future president and many of his closest friends at Occidental were unquestionably socialists.
•In his memoir, Dreams from My Father, Obama recounts that he chose his friends “carefully” at Occidental, so as “to avoid being mistaken for a sellout.” Among those friends were all manner of radicals, including “the more politically active black students,” “the Chicanos,” “the Marxist Professors and the structural feminists.” Further, Obama writes that he and his similarly “alienated” college friends regularly discussed such topics as “neocolonialism, Franz Fanon [the socialist revolutionary], Eurocentrism, and patriarchy.”
•David Remnick’s highly sympathetic biography of Obama—The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack Obama—confirms that the future president and many of his closest friends at Occidental were unquestionably socialists.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:47 am to The Spleen
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It does seem to be ramped up under Obama though.
Possibly but it could just be that there's more ways to broadcast "news" now than ever before so we're saturated with everything Obama. W got blasted on an hourly basis and he pretty much deserved all of it except for the part where he invented Katrina because he doesn't like black people. IMO Obama is just a poor manager; I guess that's why Michelle runs the family instead of him
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:47 am to Alahunter
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It's why you're viewed as a nothing but a troll on these topics.
You are the most notorious troll on this site. No one takes you seriously on any subject.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:48 am to TreyAnastasio
jibber jabber.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:49 am to Alahunter
He's done a fricking terrible job at being a socialist. Good thing he's bad at it huh?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:49 am to Alahunter
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jibber jabber.
I learned it from you, dad!
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:51 am to Duke
He's done a fricking terrible job at everything. It doesn't mean he's not done all he can to move things more in that direction. Bailouts for major labor union businesses, healthcare take over, more people on gov't dependency.. he's tried very hard, has he not?
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:53 am to Alahunter
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Perhaps Obama has more problems with his Presidency
Perhaps he does. Perhaps he is under a bigger microscope than some of his predecessors. Perhaps many of these problems are fabricated to paint him in a negative light. Don't get me wrong, I think he's been an overall poor president. But I think he has done some good that many that oppose him will never admit. I think for many on the right, there is a deep-seated hatred of him. Some of it racial, but not all. I'm not particularly fond of him because he comes across as an arrogant egotist that lacks humility to listen to other ideas.
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Obama supporters are too quick to play the, ohhh.. you hate him because he's black card.
Some certainly are, but I think some of it is at least a little justified given the racial epithets I've seen and heard thrown his way. I think Obama opponents are too quick to denounce anything he says and advocates simply because they don't like him.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:54 am to The Spleen
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Perhaps many of these problems are fabricated to paint him in a negative light
Such as?
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But I think he has done some good that many that oppose him will never admit
Such as?
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I think Obama opponents are too quick to denounce anything he says and advocates simply because they don't like him.
I think it's because he has lied so much, it's safer to assume anything he says is not truthful.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:55 am to Alahunter
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I think it's because he has lied so much, it's safer to assume anything he says is not truthful.
Such as?
Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:57 am to TreyAnastasio
Most recently.. the Bergdahl press conference where the decision was agreed upon by him, the AG, Dept of Def and Sec of State.
Today, the WH is stating it was solely the decision of the Sec of Def Hagel.
eta- also about how it was too risky to notify Congress. And now it's come out that 80-90 Gov't officials knew about the deal before it happened, not a single one of them a member of Congress.
Today, the WH is stating it was solely the decision of the Sec of Def Hagel.
eta- also about how it was too risky to notify Congress. And now it's come out that 80-90 Gov't officials knew about the deal before it happened, not a single one of them a member of Congress.
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 11:58 am to Alahunter
Link
Posted on 6/10/14 at 12:08 pm to Alahunter
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Such as?
The immigration problem and the meme that he doesn't enforce the current laws when there have actually been more deportations under his presidency than any other. The Solyndra "scandal". I think the IRS and Fast & Furious investigations were warranted, though the initial rhetoric from many on the right indicated they were already looking to impeach him. That's not how an investigation works.
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Such as?
Portions of the bailout I would label as good things. The American auto industry is thriving again. Was it a perfect thing? Far from it, but overall a good thing that saved countless jobs. His efforts for clean energy. Verdict is still out, and will be for several more years, but I think many of the Obamacare changes will go down as good things(pre-existing conditions, maximum out of pocket, etc). The credit card reform act was a good thing. Stopped "enhanced interrogation"(rorture) of POW's. I could go on, but I think that's plenty for now.
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