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If police disobey protocol and shoot a bad criminal
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:22 pm
Do you care?
Should the policeman be arrested?
Should the policeman be arrested?
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:25 pm to UFFan
Yes. Police can't be judge jury and executioner. That is why we have the system that we do.
But if their life is in danger then they should be able to defend themselves. The only question is, defining and staying out of situations that put their life in danger. OR coming up with non lethal weapons to stop an assailant.
But if their life is in danger then they should be able to defend themselves. The only question is, defining and staying out of situations that put their life in danger. OR coming up with non lethal weapons to stop an assailant.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:25 pm to UFFan
Depends on a lot of variables.
How far did the cop deviate from protocol? What was the cops intention? Was the criminal endangering lives? There's too many questions to be answered to get a good hypothetical situation
How far did the cop deviate from protocol? What was the cops intention? Was the criminal endangering lives? There's too many questions to be answered to get a good hypothetical situation
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:27 pm to UFFan
Depends on the circumstances that led to protocol being breached.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:01 pm to UFFan
If an officer does something unlawful, then they should pay the price in court. I'm a retired sheriff's deputy and I've arrested several officers for different things. The law applies to everyone. If it's just a simple breach of stated policies, fire their arse. If it's an illegal act, hook 'em up.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:26 pm to UFFan
Long answer, frick OP... he's a retard. Short answer, due process..
If constitutional rights don't apply to the worst, they can't apply to the best.
If constitutional rights don't apply to the worst, they can't apply to the best.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:33 pm to UFFan
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If police disobey protocol and shoot a bad criminal
You mean like make a personal decision to kill someone not posing a threat to them or someone else? No.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:33 pm to UFFan
My caring is at an all time low for this, because I'm convinced a perp could be beheading a grandmother and livestreaming it to Facebook, but if he is black and gets shot, BLM people will scream that they didn't have to shoot him.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:40 pm to MoarKilometers
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Short answer, due process..
If constitutional rights don't apply to the worst, they can't apply to the best.
While you're right on all points, that's not exactly what OP asked. Probably completely on accident, he asked a question that isn't quite as clear cut.
He didn't ask if an officer violated a suspects rights or broke some law. He said:
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If police disobey protocol and shoot a bad criminal
So, just for fun sake, let's say an officer rolls up on a hostage situation where someone is being held at gunpoint and department protocol is to establish a perimeter and wait for backup/negotiators/SWAT but this officer is Alvin York Jr, knows he is, and delivers 5.56mm of permanent deterrent instead.
Do I care? No, not one bit. Should the officer be charged? Is this a serious question?
Department protocols are not laws and simply violating one is never grounds for arrest so, to answer the OP's retarded question no, an officer that simply violates a department protocol should not be arrested unless violating that protocol also involved breaking a law.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:02 pm to HottyToddy7
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The only question is, defining and staying out of situations that put their life in danger. OR coming up with non lethal weapons to stop an assailant.
They're cops. They have to put themselves in unsafe positions at times. It's part of the job.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:20 pm to UFFan
In a civilized society, he should be held accountable for his actions. However, a civilized society must acknowledge that policemen are humans just like the rest of us and have emotions like the rest of us.
If I was on a jury for a cop charged with killing a serial killer, child molestor, rapist or murderer because he temporarily lost his emotional stability, I would be extremely sympathetic.
If I was on a jury for a cop charged with killing a serial killer, child molestor, rapist or murderer because he temporarily lost his emotional stability, I would be extremely sympathetic.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:29 pm to UFFan
Do I always care? No. If he executes some child rapist I won't really sweat it.
Should he be arrested? Yes. Law and order must be maintained and that includes cops. Just because I don't really care doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished.
Should he be arrested? Yes. Law and order must be maintained and that includes cops. Just because I don't really care doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 6:52 pm to UFFan
yes
Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:00 pm to UFFan
I don't really have an opinion on it one way or the other, but I recently read an article about police in Iceland that was interesting. Their police don't carry firearms, but 1/3rd of their citizens do (mainly because of polar bears). They've only had one police/citizen confrontation that ended in a fatality in several decades (we had 400+ police fatal shootings last year). With that said, Iceland is very homogenous (not our multicultural mess) and everyone works and pays taxes. I'm not a liberal (absolutely detest them), but I thought it was interesting. They have a high percentage of gun ownership and the police don't carry, but they rarely have a problem.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 10:26 pm to TideJoe
I've met several people from Iceland, one of whom was a cop. In my opinion, the Bears should carry guns to protect themselves from the populace. Toughest bastards on earth.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:24 am to UFFan
Absolutely. Crime is crime, even if committed by police.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 8:21 am to UFFan
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If police disobey protocol and shoot a bad criminal
Isn't this sorta redundant?
Posted on 8/19/16 at 8:30 am to TideJoe
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Iceland is very homogenous and everyone works and pays taxes
That is a far and away bigger factor than whether or not the police and/or citizenry are armed.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 9:09 am to Carolina_Girl
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Isn't this sorta redundant?
Not necessarily. Back when I was a small town mayor, we had a guy that lived there who had a criminal record a mile long, but it was all petty stuff. He'd swipe a beer or candy bar from the local convenience store and go to jail. He didn't have a driver's licence but he drove. He'd get a ticket, not show up to court, and go to jail. The biggest thing I remember him stealing was a bicycle. He was technically homeless, but almost always had a 'home' with a relative or community member - until he stole a little cash and then they'd kick him out.
He was by every definition, a career criminal, but on the few times we had really serious crimes (a terrible robbery/assault of an elderly couple and a few other armed robberies), he'd be right up at the PD telling anything he heard on the street and more than once he was spot on. He'd always say "I steal stuff but I ain't evil" and he was right.
You couldn't help but like the guy. When he died, the police department was front and center in helping get him a proper burial because, record aside, he wasn't a bad criminal.
Posted on 8/20/16 at 11:11 pm to Carolina_Girl
No. Everyone is a criminal at some point. If you go 1 mph over the limit you are technically a criminal.
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