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re: I want God to be real.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:11 am to beejon
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:11 am to beejon
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dark matter and dark energy isn't 'nothing'.
Actually, if you want to get technical dark matter and dark energy are less than nothing. They are actually a "negative something" so to speak. In a theoretical universe where only dark matter and energy exist, you would have to ADD "something" just to get back to a net zero or "nothing".
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There has to be something in which to fluctuate.
No there doesn't. It's just that simple. There does not need to be anything at all in order for fluctuations to occur. There can be, but it is not a requirement.
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:34 am to Roger Klarvin
I will be honest. There have been occasions where I felt a restaurant fed me negative matter and I had plenty of Big Bangs afterwards.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:38 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
...from your black hole.?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 6:00 am to BlackPawnMartyr
I believed in God until I was 37 and then I couldn't take the cognitive dissonance anymore. Thirteen years ago I just junked it all after doing plenty of research and debate. I never try and sway my family and friends from belief because I'm pretty sure some of them would be very unhappy w/out it. I'm a naturally happy person and don't really miss any of it. I mean, I was pretty serious... mission trips, witnessing, the whole enchilada. It just doesn't make any sense to me now.
Once you "go there" it seems impossible to go back to belief. Christianity seems as weird to me as any other religion. Sure, I wish there was an afterlife, but there is ZERO proof for any of it. Life is still amazing to me no matter how it happened.
Once you "go there" it seems impossible to go back to belief. Christianity seems as weird to me as any other religion. Sure, I wish there was an afterlife, but there is ZERO proof for any of it. Life is still amazing to me no matter how it happened.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 8:29 am to Roger Klarvin
NASA website direct quote- "So what is dark energy? Well, the simple answer is that we don't know. It seems to contradict many of our understandings about the way the universe works."
Roger "Actually, if you want to get technical dark matter and dark energy are less than nothing. They are actually a "negative something" so to speak. "
I am officially notifying NASA that this thread, Roger specifically, has cracked the code...thanks for your contribution to science
Roger "Actually, if you want to get technical dark matter and dark energy are less than nothing. They are actually a "negative something" so to speak. "
I am officially notifying NASA that this thread, Roger specifically, has cracked the code...thanks for your contribution to science
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:44 am to BluegrassBelle
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But like I asked, why just have faith? It's kind of a frustrating response for those who have maybe lost their faith.
Look, no one can answer that but you. I could list off the whole litany of usual reasons: afterlife, everything happens for a reason, etc.
I have faith that there is a god, and that he/she is closer to the general Christian interpretation than others. Do I think things happen for a reason? Sometimes. But I also think God really doesn't give a shite if you have enough money to pay the rent, or if the Seahawks win the superbowl, or if Jimmy dies of cancer. I think he pretty much cares about being worshiped. If you worship and glorify Him, he sends you to heaven, if there is such a thing. Not 'if you are a good person' or whatever else people tell themselves.
Going off on a tangent, but the bottom line is, you have to decide if you want to believe in a god or not. It's a decision.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:47 am to CrimsonChin
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I want God to be real.
Are you sure about that? Because if God is real, hell is real, also.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:50 am to DownSouthJukin
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Are you sure about that? Because if God is real, hell is real, also.
Even accepting the Christian definition of God, hell is referenced very scarcely in the bible, and the few times it is mentioned are inconclusive as to the nature of Hell.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:52 am to cokebottleag
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Even accepting the Christian definition of God, hell is referenced very scarcely in the bible, and the few times it is mentioned are inconclusive as to the nature of Hell.
The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist. (I say this every time these threads come up because it's true.)
Posted on 1/19/15 at 9:57 am to DownSouthJukin
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The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist. (I say this every time these threads come up because it's true.)
I just find it curious that there is no mention of 'the devil' in the old testament. Did he suddenly come into being after the birth of Christ? Where are the warnings from the prophets in the OT about being swayed by the devil? They certainly warned about a shitton of other things.
I blame Paul, largely.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 10:28 am to CrimsonChin
Your mind makes it real....
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:05 am to Roger Klarvin
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Actually, if you want to get technical dark matter and dark energy are less than nothing. They are actually a "negative something" so to speak. In a theoretical universe where only dark matter and energy exist, you would have to ADD "something" just to get back to a net zero or "nothing".
No, that just isn't true. Dark Matter and Dark Energy exist just as visible matter and energy do. We can't detect DM and DE directly, yet, but we certainly can indirectly because both exert gravity, or an anti-gravitational force in the case of DM.
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There has to be something in which to fluctuate.
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No there doesn't. It's just that simple. There does not need to be anything at all in order for fluctuations to occur. There can be, but it is not a requirement.
Well, beejon is correct in this instance. Space, or more accurately space-time, is something. At the Big Bang, space-time inflated first and everything else flowed into it.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:12 am to beejon
I have to wonder, Beejon, if you've ever considered that perhaps the universe is God? I mean, you're so certain that it must have started, but you've never really stated that this is a possibility.
The universe itself could be supernatural in a long list of other universes in string theory.
But, Hayzeus told you all the answers, din't he?
The universe itself could be supernatural in a long list of other universes in string theory.
But, Hayzeus told you all the answers, din't he?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:21 am to beejon
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There is no such thing as empty space.
This is true. Space-time is a thing.
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Quantum mechanics will allow particles to suddenly pop out of nothing and it doesn't violate any laws of physics.
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No it doesn't. 'Quantum soup' isn't nothing.
I don't know what you mean by quantum soup but still, you're correct. Particles do seem to pop in and out of nothing, but we have to define "nothing" here as "that which we cannot yet detect." The conventional definition of nothing doesn't apply to physics. I don't think Michio Kaku understands the confusion he's sewing with some of his provocative statements.
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That's not a example of nothing producing something from nothing. Nor is it an example of something producing something from nothing.
Right again. Space doesn't arise from nothing as conventionally defined. At the point of the Big Bang, which should actually be called the Big Inflation, space-time inflated first, not from nothing but from something that is being studied. String Theory is being used to explore the possibilities of the "something" from which the Universe arose. "M Theory" is one of the possibilities. It incorporates a multiverse of which our Universe is a part.
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There is no universe which came from nothing.
Correct. Any theory that says something comes from nothing, as defined conventionally, would be a dead-end.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:15 pm to AtlantaAU
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I believed in God until I was 37 and then I couldn't take the cognitive dissonance anymore. Thirteen years ago I just junked it all after doing plenty of research and debate. I never try and sway my family and friends from belief because I'm pretty sure some of them would be very unhappy w/out it. I'm a naturally happy person and don't really miss any of it. I mean, I was pretty serious... mission trips, witnessing, the whole enchilada. It just doesn't make any sense to me now.
Once you "go there" it seems impossible to go back to belief. Christianity seems as weird to me as any other religion. Sure, I wish there was an afterlife, but there is ZERO proof for any of it. Life is still amazing to me no matter how it happened.
The argument from incredulity, when considering creation, isn't always a fallacious argument when one considers the astronomical odds of in the seemingly impossible construct of creation. For example, the human brain. It's just one very small part of creation yet it's such a complex and intricate machine that much of it remains a mystery and incomprehensible to us, especially that which is consciousness.
Concerning Jesus, there is a great deal of proof that He existed as an historical figure. While this doesn't prove His divinity, it does present evidence that He's not a fictitious character.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:20 pm to cokebottleag
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Even accepting the Christian definition of God, hell is referenced very scarcely in the bible, and the few times it is mentioned are inconclusive as to the nature of Hell.
It depends on which biblical hell of which one is speaking. There are actually three 'hells', sheol/hades, gehenna and tartarus. Jesus mentioned hell over 40 times, Himself. Of course these were the various 'hells', not just one singular hell that He mentioned.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:25 pm to cokebottleag
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I just find it curious that there is no mention of 'the devil' in the old testament.
Devil...Satan....same thing. He's mentioned in the Old Testament.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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have to wonder, Beejon, if you've ever considered that perhaps the universe is God? I mean, you're so certain that it must have started, but you've never really stated that this is a possibility.
The universe itself could be supernatural in a long list of other universes in string theory.
But, Hayzeus told you all the answers, din't he?
Hayzeus?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:28 pm to beejon
Annnnnddddd......the thread is finally anchored! 
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:33 pm to CrimsonChin
Sit down with a peice of paper and pen, no one around except you. You are the one who ultimately has to decide what a combo of your brain heart and gut thinks. What someone else tells you isnt going to bring peace of mind.
When you are alone at a writing station. Make 2 lists. One for things you can believe and one for the ones you cant. The longer you look at the things you can believe because there is no other possible explanation then you are a believer. If you stay hungup on everything then you probably arent going to change.
When you realize a list of things thrown together that is so unexplainable that you cant even fathom the theology and reason behind it, but still obviously have to ackkowledge it got there somehow. With science being statistically and logically ruled out, you can confirm you believe.
Picking a denomintion will be much harder lol
Some people go through the motions and just act like they believe or believe out of fear or they will go to hell if it happens to be real. Dont be that guy, because those fools are just as misguided as an atheist or someone else.
When you are alone at a writing station. Make 2 lists. One for things you can believe and one for the ones you cant. The longer you look at the things you can believe because there is no other possible explanation then you are a believer. If you stay hungup on everything then you probably arent going to change.
When you realize a list of things thrown together that is so unexplainable that you cant even fathom the theology and reason behind it, but still obviously have to ackkowledge it got there somehow. With science being statistically and logically ruled out, you can confirm you believe.
Picking a denomintion will be much harder lol
Some people go through the motions and just act like they believe or believe out of fear or they will go to hell if it happens to be real. Dont be that guy, because those fools are just as misguided as an atheist or someone else.
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