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re: How many poor dirt farmers owned slaves
Posted on 6/28/15 at 8:51 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 6/28/15 at 8:51 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I swear, if I had a dollar for every time someone remarked about my diction....
Hey some think we all sound and type like this.
"shiiiit, did you see dat whippin dem LSU boys put on nem, nem ni99as showed out. Dey was ballin. Bout ta hit da club up tanight afta da game, We's bout ta get turnt up."
Some of these frickers actually believe all blacks type and sound like that.
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Posted on 6/28/15 at 8:56 pm to bayou2003
Aye way pinche Loco whetos
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:03 pm to bayou2003
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"shiiiit, did you see dat whippin dem LSU boys put on nem, nem ni99as showed out. Dey was ballin. Bout ta hit da club up tanight afta da game, We's bout ta get turnt up."
I have a few cousins who speak that way. Needless to say, we're not close--I feel like I need a translator to mediate just to figure out where they want to go get a bite to eat sometimes
Even better, I was on TexAgs one time, and I was arguing with this one dude and I started insulting him in Spanish (as I'm wont to do online sometimes
). Then later in the convo, he tried to call me a dirty Mexican or some such nonsense, and didn't believe me when I told him I was dark as night. Had to post a picture (something I've also never been shy about, I guess ). People are crazy. It's just becoming more and more apparent to me that if you try to label/stereotype people by any metric, you're gonna end up with egg on your face more often than not.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:14 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I was arguing with this one dude and I started insulting him in Spanish (as I'm wont to do online sometimes ). Then later in the convo, he tried to call me a dirty Mexican or some such nonsense, and didn't believe me when I told him I was dark as night.
Do they force yall to learn spanish in school down there. I know up here it's optional. But we are getting more and more hispanics up here. At one Elementary school in a town 7 miles away(Carthage,MO) they are going to start teaching in English and Spanish to see how it works out. That town use to be over 95% white, now wiki says it's 25% hispanics...sure it's more, A LOT of illegals over there, so I doubt if they complied with the census.
Never met a black person that spoke spanish unless he was Rican, Cuban, or Dominican. Guess they like to be called Latinos.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:18 pm to bayou2003
I was homeschooled, so I can't really comment on what they're forced to teach, but since I lived so much of my childhood in San Antonio, you couldn't help but pick up on a lot of it. Just becomes a way of life more than anything.
Oh no shite? Been through Carthage a few times (used to drive through there when wifey was up at Whiteman and I was still stationed in Oklahoma). Should be an interesting language experiment, to say the least
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At one Elementary school in a town 7 miles away(Carthage,MO) they are going to start teaching in English and Spanish to see how it works out. That town use to be over 95% white, now wiki says it's 25% hispanics...sure it's more
Oh no shite? Been through Carthage a few times (used to drive through there when wifey was up at Whiteman and I was still stationed in Oklahoma). Should be an interesting language experiment, to say the least
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:20 pm to bayou2003
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Never met a black person that spoke spanish unless he was Rican, Cuban, or Dominican. Guess they like to be called Latinos
My mom (homeschooled, so she was the teacher, obviously
) was (and is) fluent in Spanish, and insisted that my siblings and I learned it as well. I'm rusty as hell from lack of practice, but it did come in handy in towns with a large hispanic population. In general I think it's a good idea to try to learn a different language if you can, though.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:28 pm to bayou2003
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"shiiiit, did you see dat whippin dem LSU boys put on nem, nem ni99as showed out. Dey was ballin. Bout ta hit da club up tanight afta da game, We's bout ta get turnt up."
Doesn't help when 85-90% of black people in the South talk like this.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:32 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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My mom (homeschooled, so she was the teacher, obviously ) was (and is) fluent in Spanish, and insisted that my siblings and I learned it as well. I'm rusty as hell from lack of practice, but it did come in handy in towns with a large hispanic population. In general I think it's a good idea to try to learn a different language if you can, though.
Ok I had no idea how Texas worked since they have a large hispanic population.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:35 pm to Carolina Tide
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Doesn't help when 85-90% of black people in the South talked like this.
Sometimes I wonder if it's people trying to sound cool or hood. Hope that's the case because you usually get your dialect from your parents or grandparents. I was born in Louisiana, family from Louisiana...the older blacks in my family speak proper english. Of course they have the southern accent. But it's not ghetto.
This post was edited on 6/28/15 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 6/28/15 at 10:05 pm to bayou2003
They don't force it but it is the prevelant second language offering and it's pretty handy to know a little. I don't read it or spell it well but I know enough to get by and communicate with the guys that work for my company.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 10:06 pm to bayou2003
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Do they force yall to learn spanish in school down there.
I was interviewing for a job in Miami and was staying at one of Don Shula's hotel (job was with the Dolphins), and the night I got in it was pretty late so I went and grabbed a drink at the hotel bar as they were about closing up.
I asked the employee closest to me where I should get some dinner the following day and their first question was, "well, how much Spanish do you speak?"
I said, "hardly any" as I took German in high school and college. Their retort was a very judgmental, sarcastic, "if you want to be in Miami, you need to learn the language."
If I were a guy like scrooster that would've annoyed the shite out of me, but instead I just rolled with it and decided to just go to Flanagans.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 10:11 pm to namvet6566
So it was fought for elitists' rights to own slaves then? Not sure how that supports any kind of states' rights or "the flag isn't about slavery/racism/etc" argument.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 1:27 pm to PikeBishop
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It varied from place to place but usually between 1/3 and 1/2 of Southern families owned slaves according to census records.
That is pure horseshite. A slave in the early 1800s might cost $1000-2000. That was like $100,000-200,000 today.
Nowhere near 1/3 to 1/2 the population owned slaves. Only the wealthy or 1% of the day owned slaves.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 1:37 pm to BrocraticMethod
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So it was fought for elitists' rights to own slaves then? Not sure how that supports any kind of states' rights or "the flag isn't about slavery/racism/etc" argument.
That "argument" is simply a strawman obfuscating the fact that the south fought to preserve a slave-based economy.
It's funny how southern apologists always trot out the whole distribution of slave ownership song and dance when no one is arguing that all white southerners owned slaves. Last I checked slave ownership was not a prerequisite for wearing gray.
Doesn't change what they fought to preserve one iota.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:08 pm to namvet6566
Sharpton aside, everything you mentioned is a class issue. It just happens that a lot of the lower class is black, due to having restricted education until a few decades ago. So many of these "race" issues, aren't race related at all. It's the state of the American lower class.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:27 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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That is pure horseshite. A slave in the early 1800s might cost $1000-2000. That was like $100,000-200,000 today.
No, THAT is pure horseshite. Something that cost $1,000 in 1800 would cost about $20,000 today.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:38 pm to Stonehog
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No, THAT is pure horseshite. Something that cost $1,000 in 1800 would cost about $20,000 today.
Actually, it isn't that simple. The value of the 1,000 dollar investment is worth considerably less today than what the simple inflation value would show. So while 1,000 dollars would translate to about 20,000 dollars, it doesn't mean that's what the item would cost today. Depending on the asset and how you calculate it, the value could range all the way up to 36 million dollars.
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This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:14 pm to skirpnasty
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everything you mentioned is a class issue. It just happens that a lot of the lower class is black, due to having restricted education until a few decades ago. So many of these "race" issues, aren't race related at all. It's the state of the American lower class.
Bingo.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:32 pm to Stonehog
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No, THAT is pure horseshite. Something that cost $1,000 in 1800 would cost about $20,000 today.
Even at that rate it renders the bullshite claim that
? to ½ the population owned slave as laughable.
That was cash. There were no financing plans. Also, a slave had to make money the owner in a production environment. Only the wealthiest could afford house slaves, as they were a luxury.
Slaves ate, needed clothes, and medical care. They were literally a high maintenance item. Andrew Jackson once fired and threatened to beat an overseer after he found a sick slave and was told the doctor had not been summoned.
Claiming the general public owned slave is ignorance of history and economics.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:40 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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Even at that rate it renders the bullshite claim that
? to ½ the population owned slave as laughable.
Well, nobody has claimed that. The claim was that roughly 30% of HOUSEHOLDS in the South owned slaves. In Mississippi the number was 49%.
And that claim is accurate.
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Slaves ate, needed clothes, and medical care. They were literally a high maintenance item. Andrew Jackson once fired and threatened to beat an overseer after he found a sick slave and was told the doctor had not been summoned.
Let's stay away from candy coating the treatment slaves received. They were by and large not treated humanely.
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