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Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And to further the discussion, why should we be accommodating students who break a serious enough rule that they have to be self-contained away from all other mainstream students the rest of the year?
We shouldn't but that is another argument...
Almost all of the problems we have in education are ultimately attributed to the social welfare safety net.
1) Education must be compulsory....because we cant have citizens quitting school and becoming a govt sponge
2) Cant expel kids from school until they are give 100 chances....because we cant have citizens quitting school and becoming a govt sponge
3) We have to lax standards to get kids a HS diploma...because we cant have citizens quitting school and becoming a govt sponge
4) Cant give a kid a zero because he was suspended on the quiz/test day...because we cant have citizens quitting school and becoming a govt sponge
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Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:54 pm to JordonfortheJ
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well I think the state has a lot to do with that not just a school. Teachers have to follow the state guidelines. If there are only 5 subjects to cover in a semester then hey it's what they got to do even if it includes dragging it along.
That is my point. The guidelines need to be changed.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 12:56 pm to bamafan1001
I think you are proposing a large change for a small portion of the school age population
- just based on the size of our AP courses / departments when I was in school which was likely above national average
- just based on the size of our AP courses / departments when I was in school which was likely above national average
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:02 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I think you are proposing a large change for a small portion of the school age population
I disagree because the change isn't geared toward one particular group like our current system is.
I view a change like this to be like implementing the Fair Tax:
-It would be a dramatic change from the way things are done now
-It would eliminate a lot of inefficiency in the system
-The benefits would far outweigh the problems
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:13 pm to bamafan1001
What are you proposing exactly?
What age groups?
How to predict staffing needs?
What I have in my head I don't think has huge benefit but I may be thinking about it differently than you.
What age groups?
How to predict staffing needs?
What I have in my head I don't think has huge benefit but I may be thinking about it differently than you.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:32 pm to bamafan1001
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bamafan1001
Don't think for a moment that I don't understand what you're saying but here's the reality of it; there are 2 types of bosses....#1 is the classic "clock watcher" and #2 is the one that is focused on the work.
I'm a #2 boss and have never worked for anyone but a #1 boss.
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So telling someone to sit down, be still, and shut up is the most effective way to instill discipline?
Kids in school yes & it should be the easiest to accomplish.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:48 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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What are you proposing exactly?
-When entering HS, kids are given the list of required classes to graduate.
-Kids may choose an emphasis of study
-School day is something like 8-12 instead of 8-3
-Teachers will stay an additional ~1-3 hours for one on one help
-There are no advanced or AP classes as all courses will be taught at a high level, kids can choose to sub a community college course for HS credit
-Kids who struggle with the material can stay after for 1 on 1 help.
-Kids can also choose to go completely to occupational or apprenticeship routes once they reach a certain age or complete a required # of courses
-There is an avenue for kids to finish courses early if they are able to, classes are taught like they are now except at faster pace.
-Classes are split(Core on MWF, electives TTH)
-No state provided school lunch, only private vendors(Aramark, etc)
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What age groups?
9th-12th grade (13-18)
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How to predict staffing needs?
Similar to the way it is now. There may be more avenue for part time work(ex: a flex teacher who take the small # of kids who finish their courses early and must be caught up to where the next level course is)
No lunch room staff
Posted on 5/12/15 at 1:52 pm to Wtodd
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Kids in school yes & it should be the easiest to accomplish.
We can agree to disagree. I just don't think people are meant to sit still for that long. For centuries people had to do physical work for survival. Its woven into our DNA. Sitting still for long periods of time is not good for health and not conducive for learning.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:00 pm to bamafan1001
My kid is taking Geometry at a private high school this summer (his high school put him in the wrong math class and it was too late to change it when we realized how bored he was). Anyway, he's bored (not challenged) at the public school. I hope he falls in love with the private school and decides to go there. At least it will be challenging and engaging.
No child left behind has really fricked things up.
No child left behind has really fricked things up.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:02 pm to Kentucker
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We seem to have become a society that is intent on "lifting up" the underprivileged and mentally handicapped at the extreme expense of the gifted.
Well put. We should be lifting the exceptional up, might provide incentive for those at a lower level.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:03 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Part of the issue with teachers being able to teach at a rigorous pace so students don't get bored is dealing with behavior they never should have to deal with in a classroom.
Yeah. The kid was likely part of the reason the class wasn't optimal. If he wasn't, he'd still be in the class.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:04 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Dewey really fricked things up.
FIFY
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:10 pm to bamafan1001
This is one of those threads where I get to throw on a smug countenance and point and chortle at public schoolers.
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And so on, and so forth...
...... And so on, and so forth...
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:13 pm to Aubie Spr96
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My kid is taking Geometry at a private high school this summer (his high school put him in the wrong math class and it was too late to change it when we realized how bored he was). Anyway, he's bored (not challenged) at the public school. I hope he falls in love with the private school and decides to go there. At least it will be challenging and engaging.
Have you tried to enroll him in the Honors/AP program, or do they not have them in your school system? I can promise you that your student would be challenged in the AP program of our local school. Most kids who do AP in our school system here find their first two years of college extremely easy.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:21 pm to bamafan1001
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-There are no advanced or AP classes as all courses will be taught at a high level, kids can choose to sub a community college course for HS credit
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:23 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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This is one of those threads where I get to throw on a smug countenance and point and chortle at public schoolers.
Not all public schools are the same. Public schools in Virginia, New York, Massachusetts, etc are not going to be the same as schools in Mississippi and Alabama.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:25 pm to CatFan81
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Not all public schools are the same. Public schools in Virginia, New York, Massachusetts, etc are not going to be the same as schools in Mississippi and Alabama.
There are great public schools in each state though.
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:29 pm to CatFan81
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Not all public schools are the same.
Pssh, they all look the same to me.
Some folks are :racist: .
I am :schoolist: .
The chortling will continue, CatFan:
This post was edited on 5/12/15 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:35 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I judge homeschooled kids too. #awkward #sociallyinept #whitebread #fundies
Posted on 5/12/15 at 2:39 pm to CatFan81
My school was the best
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