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re: Fast Food Workers To Strike In 150 Cities
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:24 pm to KSGamecock
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:24 pm to KSGamecock
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That's why these low wage retail/food service jobs should be reserved for high school and college kids like you. I get that the recession has hit people hard and they find work where they can and I don't actually mean "reserved" but these jobs are not meant to provide a family with a respectable wage.
These are some of the lowest jobs on the employment ladder and are really only valuable to young people trying to build some experience/employment history and get some money on the side. It's bad when grown-arse adults take them because they can't live off them and they're depriving young people of that important initial experience. But yea I know...recession.
I can agree with this and for the most part: These should not be jobs put forth for people to raise a family. That aside: They are getting paid very little and it necessitates that they get two or three jobs to make ends meet -- which soaks up more jobs that other people could potentially work.
There has got to be a way -- even if it means to cut a few jobs here and there -- that these jobs can be more sustainable as everything else (including the menu at McDonalds) has risen while their wages have not.
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:25 pm to KSGamecock
Exactly how I feel 
. It's actually funny how incompetent some of my co workers are. One is 37 and lives with their parents 
. It's actually funny how incompetent some of my co workers are. One is 37 and lives with their parents Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There has got to be a way -- even if it means to cut a few jobs here and there -- that these jobs can be more sustainable as everything else (including the menu at McDonalds) has risen while their wages have not.
Of course there's a way- $10 Big Macs.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:27 pm to CatFan81
Chik fil a workers almost deserve this.
Everybody else can get a fricking clue.
Everybody else can get a fricking clue.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:32 pm to Japowell98
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Of course there's a way- $10 Big Macs.
The quarter pounder index.
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The average price in Juneau, according to NerdWallet's QPI - or Quarter Pounder Index, was $4.82.
The survey also ranks Anchorage, Fairbanks and Honolulu in the top 10 for most expensive cities.
The QPI for Honolulu was $4.20.
The cheapest Quarter Pounder was found in Conway, Ark., at $2.24.
Local McDonalds pays over $10/hr
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I can agree with this and for the most part: These should not be jobs put forth for people to raise a family. That aside: They are getting paid very little and it necessitates that they get two or three jobs to make ends meet -- which soaks up more jobs that other people could potentially work.
There has got to be a way -- even if it means to cut a few jobs here and there -- that these jobs can be more sustainable as everything else (including the menu at McDonalds) has risen while their wages have not.
The larger issue is what the average American thinks is "sustainable". If you're carrying an iPhone, driving a car that isn't even 10 years old, and eating out on a regular basis while complaining about not having a high enough wage the problem isn't your wages as much as you're living well beyond your means.
ETA: I see the above all of the time with families I work with. They're either not working or working minimum wage jobs but have enough of an "income" to have all of those things.
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:58 pm to BluegrassBelle
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The larger issue is what the average American thinks is "sustainable". If you're carrying an iPhone, driving a car that isn't even 10 years old, and eating out on a regular basis while complaining about not having a high enough wage the problem isn't your wages as much as you're living well beyond your means.
ETA: I see the above all of the time with families I work with. They're either not working or working minimum wage jobs but have enough of an "income" to have all of those things.
I suppose this is more lucid than most arguments from that end of the spectrum and one where I can enjoy some middle ground. I used to work for Pizza Hut when I dropped out of highschool and noticed that a lot of people complaining of financial problems generally didn't manage their money very well. (Cigarettes, expensive phones and cars well outside of their budget.)
I similarly saw this trend continue in the military and worse. I've never seen guys mismanage money the way they did in the military.
But, then again, I've also seen where people can work full-time with overtime and have no capacity to pay their bills even if they're being frugal.
All prices have raised, wages have not met this raise in price or the profit generated by it and that's where I find it to be acrimonious.
If the wage is unlivable when adjusting for expenditures -- it needs to be evaluated. Although this is very difficult with a society that prides privacy even when it needn't be necessary. I think, ultimately, I just want to come to a tenable solution that will benefit the economy on every level from personal to global -- hopefully we can come to a position that's tangible.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:00 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Poor people hate is strong on this board
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:01 pm to diddydirtyAubie
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These morons need to learn a damn skill. Flipping burgers and working a cash register is not a skill.
Someone has to do it.
Not for $15 an hour, though.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:04 pm to 3nOut
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I serve on the deacon board with the franchise owners of a few Hate-FiL-a's. We were talking about this in particular today and I mentioned that his cashiers are the brightest of any fast food in town.
They are much more selective about who they hire. Chick-Fil-A employees are always bright, well spoken and extremely polite.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:05 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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If the wage is unlivable when adjusting for expenditures -- it needs to be evaluated. Although this is very difficult with a society that prides privacy even when it needn't be necessary. I think, ultimately, I just want to come to a tenable solution that will benefit the economy on every level from personal to global -- hopefully we can come to a position that's tangible.
At the same time, we also need to be realistic of what jobs are considered for a livable wage. I worked at a roller skating rink growing up as an alternative to flipping burgers. That job didn't exist to provide a liveable wage. It existed to supplement while I was in school, living with my parents.
I always looked at entry-level fast food positions as the same way. If you're trying to live off of that then you probably need to look at other options or make an attempt to educate yourself (i.e. get your GED, HS diploma, college degree, trade schools) to get a job with a livable wage.
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:06 pm to SneakySally
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Poor people hate is strong on this board
Well, I used to think that it was a matter of 'learning a skill', 'pulling yourself up by your bootstraps' and other talking points but coming to Mexico changed my mind profoundly. I had seen what it was like to see people who have absolutely nothing still try to find ways to work -- and most of the time the labor is exhausted. There are some instances where people need help, and there are some legitimate criticisms of those who manipulate the system.
The general environment on the Rant has never been very supportive, but that's to be expected.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:06 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Someone has to do it.
yes, young people. not someone with a family.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:08 pm to diddydirtyAubie
Meh, Im not gonna hate on someone for taking a job there to support their kids if its all they can get. Some people just simply have very limited upward mobility.
They can go frick themselves if they want nearly double minimum wage, though.
They can go frick themselves if they want nearly double minimum wage, though.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:11 pm to The Spleen
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So these people are vilified for having to subsidize their income through welfare benefits, and then they're vilified for asking for a higher pay rate. Makes sense. Wtf do y'all want these people to do? The job market sucks, so it's not like they can go out and easily find a $15 per hour job.
Not that I think they "deserve" $15 per hour, but god forbid we show a little compassion to their situation.
Asking for $15 an hour to flip burgers should be vilified. It is indicative of a complete ignorance of basic economics.
Im not going to criticize someone for taking a fast food job, but fast foods jobs do not require any type of skill or training to perform. They simply have no business making that kind of money.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
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At the same time, we also need to be realistic of what jobs are considered for a livable wage.
A fastfood joint in this day and age is not the same thing it used to be. They're more closely related to restaurants than they used to be and, here in Mexico City, I can actually get Burger King, Subway, McDonald's etc. etc., delivered.
I think the climate for these jobs has changed, and handling food is very important. Perhaps the Socialism approach of ensuring better quality through paying more isn't tenable, but I feel that this is the right answer for that particular facet of the American economy.
These jobs are increasingly more important, and are making more money than ever before. Employees should be paid better, perhaps not to raise an entire family, but for a single person? There is no reason a single person who works full-time regardless of vocation should not be able to support themselves -- or necessitates food stamps to survive.
But as I said, until we can adjust for the reasoning behind someone being on food stamps I don't think there's a decent way to accurately evaluate what needs to be done, or if it is exclusively capricious spending.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Im not going to criticize someone for taking a fast food job, but fast foods jobs do not require any type of skill or training to perform. They simply have no business making that kind of money.
30k a year is way too much for these types of jobs. I had to work 52 hours a week to make that much coming out of college.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:17 pm to SneakySally
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Poor people hate is strong on this board
Huh? Hell, most people who grew up in the South prior to the 80's grew up poor. I admire working poor who have a plan to escape.
Forcing someone to raise wages artificially isn't a plan to escape.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:17 pm to CatFan81
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Fast Food Workers To Strike In 150 Cities
Oh no. How will I ever go on?
This could be a positive thing. Maybe it will get people to stop eating dog shite every day.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:18 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
There is absolutely no reason why someone should make 31K a year flipping burgers. None.
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