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Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:33 am to heartbreakTiger
Posted on 5/22/14 at 9:33 am to heartbreakTiger
The difference btw firefighting and policing, any police department worth a damn is POST certified, and that's a national standard. So if you spend 10 years with one department, and decide to relocate, if you can get a job you won't have to start over as a rookie.
Fire departments? No such luck.
Fire departments? No such luck.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:22 am to cas4t
Half of that revenue comes from a single parish in Louisiana.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:31 am to TheCaterpillar
There's a small town (~700 people) within St. Louis county that employs a few cops and a judge. And the cops park on the main road through the town and pull over every single soul they can. The "town" comprises .13 square miles.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:47 pm to wadewilson
From what you've said, LA is a vastly different situation from Alabama. For example:
The way the revenue breaks out here, a small department really can't write enough tickets to make any real money. DUI arrests, misdemeanors, etc can pile it up but tickets just don't do it. The real scandal here is in the municipalites that use private probation services (and it isn't just small towns. Montgomery does it too). They're basically the court version of a title pawn place. Defendants that can't pay end up racking up outrageous fees that get split between the private service and the city. Montgomery brought in $15mil from this last year. Birmingham, similarly sized and worse in terms of crime doesn't use a private service and their court system only brought in $3mil. It is a terrible, terrible racket that should see folks go to jail, but the offenders aren't the PD that wrote someone a single ticket. It is the elected officials and judges.
It is all about to change because Montgomery just lost a federal lawsuit over the practice and the state supreme court added a part to the canon of judicial ethics that will cost judges their positions.
Here the state sets the speed limits on all interstates and state roads. A municipality only controls the city streets (not streets in the city - streets built and maintained by the city).
State law here. If an officer wrote one, it would be tossed in court and he'd probably get sued.
Again, very different here. A non-POST officer can only work 6 months before getting the cert. All non-Post (paid or vollie reserve) cannot write tickets or make arrests without being under the direct supervision of a POST certified officer. Can't be via radio. POST officer must be physically on the scene.
Our local situation vastly influences our perceptions. Based on what you've posted, I'd feel the same way as you if that was the environment I lived in.
Not directed at you, but this statement:
was interesting. I've been told that Sheriffs deputies can't write traffic tickets in Mississippi. Does anyone know if that's true?
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So they write more tickets. Most small town police departments should not exist, and they have to be clever, or aggressive with the way they fund themselves.
The way the revenue breaks out here, a small department really can't write enough tickets to make any real money. DUI arrests, misdemeanors, etc can pile it up but tickets just don't do it. The real scandal here is in the municipalites that use private probation services (and it isn't just small towns. Montgomery does it too). They're basically the court version of a title pawn place. Defendants that can't pay end up racking up outrageous fees that get split between the private service and the city. Montgomery brought in $15mil from this last year. Birmingham, similarly sized and worse in terms of crime doesn't use a private service and their court system only brought in $3mil. It is a terrible, terrible racket that should see folks go to jail, but the offenders aren't the PD that wrote someone a single ticket. It is the elected officials and judges.
It is all about to change because Montgomery just lost a federal lawsuit over the practice and the state supreme court added a part to the canon of judicial ethics that will cost judges their positions.
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Krotz Springs was just nasty about their speeding trap, and it's embarrassing, because it's like, 45 minutes outside of BR. The speed limit on 190 out there is 65, but when you get into town, it drops to 35.
Here the state sets the speed limits on all interstates and state roads. A municipality only controls the city streets (not streets in the city - streets built and maintained by the city).
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Louisiana has similar restrictions, but we don't enforce it.
State law here. If an officer wrote one, it would be tossed in court and he'd probably get sued.
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I would agree with you on a lot of small-town departments though, most of those jackholes aren't even POST-certified.
Again, very different here. A non-POST officer can only work 6 months before getting the cert. All non-Post (paid or vollie reserve) cannot write tickets or make arrests without being under the direct supervision of a POST certified officer. Can't be via radio. POST officer must be physically on the scene.
Our local situation vastly influences our perceptions. Based on what you've posted, I'd feel the same way as you if that was the environment I lived in.
Not directed at you, but this statement:
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I saw at least 12 sheriffs hanging out on the interstate in Mississippi on my way home from panama.
was interesting. I've been told that Sheriffs deputies can't write traffic tickets in Mississippi. Does anyone know if that's true?
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:58 pm to JustGetItRight
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was interesting. I've been told that Sheriffs deputies can't write traffic tickets in Mississippi. Does anyone know if that's true?
Idk if they can't, but they never do. Me and a friend got pulled over for going like 70 in a 45 when we were 19 and had a cooler full of beer in the back. He made us pour it out then he let us go.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 2:44 am to cas4t
Good. Maybe they can get back to solving crimes.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 7:20 am to cokebottleag
I think you are confusing the Feds with local LE when it comes to forfeiting homes. Here in FL, because of homesteading/statute/etc, the rules are much different than what the Feds deal with. Our dept, one of the largest LE agencies in the state and eastern US, doesn't even attempt residential forfeiture.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 7:56 am to SoFla Tideroller
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I think you are confusing the Feds with local LE when it comes to forfeiting homes. Here in FL, because of homesteading/statute/etc, the rules are much different than what the Feds deal with. Our dept, one of the largest LE agencies in the state and eastern US, doesn't even attempt residential forfeiture.
It isn't usually homes, at least none that I know of. It's private businesses, cash, laptops/phones, etc. There's one example of a town in Texas (Tenaha) where the cops stopped a white & hispanic family that had cash in the car to buy a new car, the cops took the cash and then a DA rep told the family they could either sign the money over to the police, or they would get brought up on bogus felony charges and CPS would take their kids.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 7:59 am to SoFla Tideroller
The absolutely awful thing about forfeiture is that very few of the people who have their assets seized are ever even prosecuted for a crime.
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Additionally, local law enforcement agencies will sometimes turn over seized assets to the Feds immediately and then get a cut back in revenue sharing.
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According to the government’s own data, less than 20 percent of federal seizures involved property whose owners were ever prosecuted.
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Additionally, local law enforcement agencies will sometimes turn over seized assets to the Feds immediately and then get a cut back in revenue sharing.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 8:02 am to cokebottleag
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Tenaha
Tenaha PD is an awful agency. They apparently attempted to have all people with money on them sign over the money after a traffic stop. I think that about 25% of the people who had money seized were ever charged with anything.
Posted on 5/23/14 at 9:33 am to cas4t
It would be fantastic and it's coming probably mid century.
Supply & demand, cops make good cooks too.
Supply & demand, cops make good cooks too.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:14 am to cas4t
One secret fantasy is to ride a crotch rocket motorcycle, dressed in all black, and paint ball speeding cameras.
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