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re: Driverless Cars Could Cripple Law Enforcement Budgets
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:45 pm to blue_morrison
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:45 pm to blue_morrison
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Not really. Most departments are not revenue-based.
Hilarious.
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Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:53 pm to wadewilson
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I don't know about other states, but most small town PDs in Louisiana would not exist if they weren't writing tickets and fabricating charges on the interstates in Louisiana.
There is a little town around here, Piperton, TN, that has a population of 1500. They collect about $800k a year in speeding fines. All of their speed limits for the highways around their town are significantly lower than the other areas so they can catch more people speeding.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:54 pm to PrivatePublic
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Parking tickets will probably be on the order of a grand or more
Posted on 5/21/14 at 4:58 pm to wadewilson
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You wanna clarify that?
I don't know about other states, but most small town PDs in Louisiana would not exist if they weren't writing tickets and fabricating charges on the interstates in Louisiana.
It may well vary by state. I posted links above that show where the money goes in Alabama and it isn't to the local LE agency. About 2/3rds goes to the court system, 30% to the state general fund, and only about 5-10% to the local governing body general fund. On a $165 ticket, the local general fund (which is the funding source for the local PD and most everything else) gets about $15.
I was once mayor of a small town in Alabama (Population 1,500. PD made up of 6 officers). Our PD averaged around 30-40 tickets a month. I'd get the complaint from time to time we were racking in the bucks when in fact the money didn't even cover one officer's salary and benefits.
Again, it may be very different in LA.
Edited to add: In Alabama, cities with populations under 19,000 cannot write speeding tickets on the interstate.
This post was edited on 5/21/14 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:46 pm to wadewilson
Can't believe that the story didn't touch on the fact that the financial massive windfall from drunk driving tickets will completely disappear.
That's got to be a bigger revenue producer than tickets when you consider the feds hand out grants for DUI enforcement.
That's got to be a bigger revenue producer than tickets when you consider the feds hand out grants for DUI enforcement.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 5:55 pm to JustGetItRight
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You going to accept a car that forces you to drive the speed limit?
But you're not driving!
I get what you're saying, but personally I'd be all over this. I'd be checking in on secrant.com, for example, or doing somewhat more serious work. When I was a kid I enjoyed the challenge of driving 1000 miles or more. Now... not so much.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:24 pm to cas4t
This is the first thing I said about self driving cars, the gov't will never allow them because the DWI arrests and bullshite tickets that prop up the Police State system make too much $.
the second thing was I might finally be able to have my dream car. Kit from Knight Rider is coming to real life.
the second thing was I might finally be able to have my dream car. Kit from Knight Rider is coming to real life.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 6:28 pm to cas4t
Good, frick em. They're already overstaffed, and they're now only glorified tax collectors. In most towns back in the 1950s or before, cops weren't universally reviled and actually served and protected the public. Seriously, when was the last time a cop served or protected you?
Posted on 5/21/14 at 8:51 pm to Armchair_QB
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That's got to be a bigger revenue producer than tickets when you consider the feds hand out grants for DUI enforcement.
Of course cops love those grants because they lead to lots of revenue totally unrelated to DUI enforcement. A DUI checkpoint makes money. But not because of DUI enforcement.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 9:41 pm to the808bass
Not as much as they like property forfeitures. Selling a bag of weed can net them a several swat vehicles
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:17 pm to MIZ_COU
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Selling a bag of weed can net them a several swat vehicles
Maybe a yard bag of some high quality weed, unless the price has gone up since I last smoked.
Posted on 5/21/14 at 10:38 pm to OMLandshark
Oh I don't give a shite. Let's not get it confused.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 6:14 am to OMLandshark
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Good, frick em. They're already overstaffed, and they're now only glorified tax collectors. In most towns back in the 1950s or before, cops weren't universally reviled and actually served and protected the public. Seriously, when was the last time a cop served or protected you?
The vile and venom cops are viewed with today is quite interesting.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:24 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Maybe a yard bag of some high quality weed, unless the price has gone up since I last smoked.
The price of the weed isn't the point. If you sell any weed out of your house, the cops can use that as an excuse to seize your house and everything in it because it 'was used in the commission of a crime'. COps do this all the time now with people transporting any amount of cash or even when a crime is committed on their property they had nothing to do with.
Here's a story of a hotel owner who's hotel got seized because the cops caught someone dealing drugs out of a room.
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The Motel Caswell is a family-owned budget motel in Tewksbury. Russell and Pat Caswell have owned and operated the motel for nearly 30 years, since they took over management from Russ’s father in the 1980s. They live next door with Pat’s 91-year-old mother, their son and daughter-in-law, and granddaughter, tending to the business. Having survived for two generations as entrepreneurs, the Caswells have paid off the mortgage on the motel and they expected it to provide a nest egg for retirement.
Precisely because it is mortgage-free, the motel has now become an attractive target for taking by federal and local law enforcement officials who seek to cash in on what the Caswells have earned.
The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and the Tewksbury police department are demanding the Caswells forfeit the entire property—worth more than a million dollars— because a tiny fraction of people who have stayed at the Motel Caswell during the past 20 years have been arrested for crimes. Keep in mind, the Caswells themselves have worked closely with law enforcement officials to prevent and report crime on their property. And the arrests the government complains of represent less than .05 percent of the 125,000 rooms the Caswells have rented over that period of time. Indeed, the government’s lawsuit identifies only 19 arrests of guests staying the motel during the past 18 years as the basis of the forfeiture.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:35 am to cokebottleag
That story absolutely infuriates me. Way worse than the daily dog/people shootings, because it's calculated and approved by higher ups. Nearly every one of them are rotten to the core.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:46 am to UMTigerRebel
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There is a little town around here, Piperton, TN, that has a population of 1500. They collect about $800k a year in speeding fines. All of their speed limits for the highways around their town are significantly lower than the other areas so they can catch more people speeding.
Some shite little town in central Louisiana was constantly under investigation because everyone who drove through that town, if they had so much as a busted taillight - they would not leave town with that car.
The police department was impounding every car they stopped and auctioning them off. Maybe it was Woodworth, I can't remember. One of my criminal justice professors in college always joked about it.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:49 am to JustGetItRight
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It may well vary by state. I posted links above that show where the money goes in Alabama and it isn't to the local LE agency. About 2/3rds goes to the court system, 30% to the state general fund, and only about 5-10% to the local governing body general fund. On a $165 ticket, the local general fund (which is the funding source for the local PD and most everything else) gets about $15.
So they write more tickets. Most small town police departments should not exist, and they have to be clever, or aggressive with the way they fund themselves.
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Edited to add: In Alabama, cities with populations under 19,000 cannot write speeding tickets on the interstate.
Louisiana has similar restrictions, but we don't enforce it. It happened in this legislative session too. One congressman introduced a bill into the house that would force incorporated areas to label their boundaries with signs that say "this area is a speed trap" if they made more than like, 40% of their revenue from speeding tickets. Naturally, every backwoods rep from BFE, La got their panties twisted.
I hate small towns.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:51 am to Armchair_QB
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Can't believe that the story didn't touch on the fact that the financial massive windfall from drunk driving tickets will completely disappear.
That's got to be a bigger revenue producer than tickets when you consider the feds hand out grants for DUI enforcement.
Pretrial programs for first offense DUI's, in particular, are easy money for the state. You're usually talking about 6-8k per case.
I'm not sure where all of that money goes, though.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:51 am to wadewilson
There are two options for low intelligence members of our society.
The honorable (moral) option: Be a hard worker for a blue collar job.
The easier, immoral option: Become a career criminal/cop
The honorable (moral) option: Be a hard worker for a blue collar job.
The easier, immoral option: Become a career criminal/cop
Posted on 5/22/14 at 8:56 am to wadewilson
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Some shite little town in central Louisiana was constantly under investigation
Washington?
I know they make Golden Meadow look like a racing strip with their enforcement of speeding. Those frickers annexed a strip of the interstate five miles from town to hit speeders on 49 for doing one over the limit. I didn't hear anything about seizing cars but I'd believe it.
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