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re: Do you recycle?
Posted on 5/6/15 at 1:31 pm to the808bass
Posted on 5/6/15 at 1:31 pm to the808bass
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No one said that.
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It's probably a net loss on the environment, but it makes people feel better.
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Posted on 5/6/15 at 1:34 pm to Stonehog
That doesn't mean all recycling is. Just that as a whole, it's a net loss.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 1:38 pm to the808bass
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That doesn't mean all recycling is. Just that as a whole, it's a net loss.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:08 pm to Stonehog
Since recycling costs money (with the exception of aluminum), I feel like the burden of proof for net benefit is on the proponents of the practice, not the detractors.
I recycle nothing. Especially paper. I go out of my way to keep from recycling paper, and so should everyone who believes carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Older trees are much less efficient at pulling CO2 out of the air than young ones, and older, overgrown forests are much more of a fire hazard. Why do I want to slow the rate of paper consumption?
I recycle nothing. Especially paper. I go out of my way to keep from recycling paper, and so should everyone who believes carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Older trees are much less efficient at pulling CO2 out of the air than young ones, and older, overgrown forests are much more of a fire hazard. Why do I want to slow the rate of paper consumption?
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:11 pm to Stonehog
Nope
Posted on 5/6/15 at 2:14 pm to Stonehog
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Do you recycle?
Yes.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:03 pm to cokebottleag
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I recycle nothing. Especially paper. I go out of my way to keep from recycling paper, and so should everyone who believes carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Older trees are much less efficient at pulling CO2 out of the air than young ones, and older, overgrown forests are much more of a fire hazard. Why do I want to slow the rate of paper consumption?
CARDBOARD RECYCLING
Recycling one ton of cardboard:
Saves 390 kWh of energy
Saves 1.1 barrels (46 gallons) of oil
Saves 6.6 million Btu's of energy
Cardboard Recycling Tips
Prepare cardboard for recycling by removing all other materials in the box such as plastic wrap, polystyrene peanuts and other packing materials.
Break down cardboard boxes to save storage space.
Try to keep cardboard dry and free from food waste. Cardboard can get wet and still be recycled, but is more difficult to carry due to the added weight of the water.
Did You Know?
Recycling one ton of cardboard saves over 9 cubic yards of landfill space.
Recycled cardboard saves 24% of the total energy needed for virgin cardboard
LINK
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:11 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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No, because I want to make you and SpidermanTuba cry.
I'll stop right now if it will make Stonehog cry.
The county doesn't have a program, but our aluminum goes to the local humane shelter's recycling/fundraising program and our cardboard and a few types of plastic goes to a nearby town's deliver-it-yourself recycling center.
And yes, I'm conservative too. Like 3nout said, believing AGW is a crock of shiat does not automatically make one believe the best use of land is as a trash dump.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:17 pm to Person of interest
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Recycling one ton of cardboard:
Saves 390 kWh of energy
Saves 1.1 barrels (46 gallons) of oil
Saves 6.6 million Btu's of energy
No it doesn't
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:29 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Convincing argument.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:32 pm to Stonehog
You don't deserve a an actual effort from me.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:38 pm to Wtodd
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it's better than illegal dumping.
But not nearly as fun
I do not agree. In my youth I took many late night dumps on the lawns of some of the local political idiots. To be fair both parties were fair game for my late night illegal dumping and sometimes I was joined by both men and women in my peer group at the time. Some later became hippies and some became the ultra conservatives in their current communities.
Poop is pretty much all recyclable and flies have to eat too.
As for recycling in general I say burn it or recycle it but just burying it is no real solution. The irritating part is most food now comes in packaging that is not recyclable and not all plastics are recyclable. A plastic water bottle may be but a plastic fork or plate may not be. Seem pretty dumb to have plastics that can not be recycled.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 3:40 pm to Stonehog
We do, make once a week trips to drop off paper and plastic, and whenever needed for batteries, light bulbs etc
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:17 pm to Person of interest
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CARDBOARD RECYCLING
Recycling one ton of cardboard:
Saves 390 kWh of energy
Saves 1.1 barrels (46 gallons) of oil
Saves 6.6 million Btu's of energy
EIA.gov
We're talking about saving the equivalent of 1.1 barrels of oil for 1 ton of paper recycled. Considering the average person uses:
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This statistic illustrates the per capita consumption of paper and board in the United States from 2003 to 2012. In 2011, the per capita consumption of paper and board in the United States amounted to 531 pounds.
That means that every year, all your paper recycling....
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Recycled aluminum is the only material in the consumer waste stream that more than pays for its own cost of collection. Recycling one ton of aluminum cans typically yields well over $1,000 of revenue, while recycling a ton of steel, glass, plastics, or paper does not cover the average collection cost of $200 per ton.
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Costs you $200, to save 1.1 barrels of oil.
Color me unimpressed.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:41 pm to Stonehog
We have a separate can for paper and plastic. If we didn't, I would bother. Even so, I only put bulky items (boxes mainly) in the recycle bin. My sense is that it is mostly a feel-good waste of time. I'm in favor of not being wasteful but I'm not convinced this isn't.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 4:43 pm to cokebottleag
You failed to calculate the cost saved from not putting it in a landfill. 531 pounds x 320 million seems impressive.
From your link.
Producing recycled paper takes 40% less energy than producing paper from virgin wood pulp.
It takes 24 trees to make one ton of uncoated virgin (non-recycled) printing and office paper.
Making paper from recycled paper reduces the related contribution to air pollution by 95%.
Recycling a stack of newspaper just 3 feet high saves one tree.
Recycling 1 ton of mixed paper saves the energy equivalent of 185 gallons of gasoline.
Recycling 1 ton of cardboard saves 46 gallons of oil.
Over 90% of all products shipped in the US are shipped in corrugated boxes, which totals more than 400 billion square feet of cardboard.
Nearly 80% of all retailers and grocers recycle their cardboard.
The average American uses about uses 650 lbs. of paper per year, or the equivalent of one 100-foot-tall Douglas fir tree in paper and wood products.
Making a ton of paper from recycled paper saves up to 17 trees and uses 50% less water than does creating paper from virgin pulp.
From your link.
Producing recycled paper takes 40% less energy than producing paper from virgin wood pulp.
It takes 24 trees to make one ton of uncoated virgin (non-recycled) printing and office paper.
Making paper from recycled paper reduces the related contribution to air pollution by 95%.
Recycling a stack of newspaper just 3 feet high saves one tree.
Recycling 1 ton of mixed paper saves the energy equivalent of 185 gallons of gasoline.
Recycling 1 ton of cardboard saves 46 gallons of oil.
Over 90% of all products shipped in the US are shipped in corrugated boxes, which totals more than 400 billion square feet of cardboard.
Nearly 80% of all retailers and grocers recycle their cardboard.
The average American uses about uses 650 lbs. of paper per year, or the equivalent of one 100-foot-tall Douglas fir tree in paper and wood products.
Making a ton of paper from recycled paper saves up to 17 trees and uses 50% less water than does creating paper from virgin pulp.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 6:25 pm to Person of interest
I was hoping you would pull those stats from the links. It actually makes a really good point. If you read that list of all the things and quantities that recycling saves or creates, etc. etc., and really look at it, the quantities same wildly different. If I recycle I 3 foot high stack of newspapers, apparently I get the same results as if I recycle a much greater quantity of paper.
My point here is that all of these benefits of recycling are pretty much made up bullshite. If recycling was cost-effective, we wouldn't have to pay anyone to take our trash. Aluminum cans get pulled out of trash cans by homeless people because they're actually worth something. On the other hand, recycled paper cost more money to collect then you can sell it for. The only way recycling centers stay afloat is with massive subsidies. Basically, there is no economic benefit to recycling paper. At least, none that I can actually see the data that the study was conducted based on.
So if there is no real economic benefit to recycling, is there a tangible environmental benefit? Even if you except that CO2, A gas that is naturally admitted out of my mouth, is a toxic gas to The environment, is there any hard data or hard math back and show if there is a tangible reduction? Cutting down trees and replanting them with Newer Younger trees is good for the environment and good economically. Forests are a renewable resource.
My apologies for any spelling errors or weird sentences, I'm dictating this to Siri that bitch is hard of hearing.
My point here is that all of these benefits of recycling are pretty much made up bullshite. If recycling was cost-effective, we wouldn't have to pay anyone to take our trash. Aluminum cans get pulled out of trash cans by homeless people because they're actually worth something. On the other hand, recycled paper cost more money to collect then you can sell it for. The only way recycling centers stay afloat is with massive subsidies. Basically, there is no economic benefit to recycling paper. At least, none that I can actually see the data that the study was conducted based on.
So if there is no real economic benefit to recycling, is there a tangible environmental benefit? Even if you except that CO2, A gas that is naturally admitted out of my mouth, is a toxic gas to The environment, is there any hard data or hard math back and show if there is a tangible reduction? Cutting down trees and replanting them with Newer Younger trees is good for the environment and good economically. Forests are a renewable resource.
My apologies for any spelling errors or weird sentences, I'm dictating this to Siri that bitch is hard of hearing.
Posted on 5/6/15 at 8:00 pm to Stonehog
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but a lot of conservatives think it's part of the liberal agenda,
Don't let your liberal ideas blind you, this is ridiculous.
We have recycling with our trash pickup, and I contribute all the things we have each week (cans, bottles, boxes, etc.)
I doubt it does much, but it's part of our trash pickup service so I try. Oh, and I'm the most conservative person you will ever meet.
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:28 am to Stonehog
Posted on 5/7/15 at 9:29 am to Stonehog
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Do you recycle?
If I'm out in public and there is a trash can and a recycling can and I have a can/bottle, I'll put it in the recycling can. I mean there's really no reason not to. At home I just throw everything in the same garbage can and throw it in the dumpster.
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