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Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:46 pm to the808bass
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So the cop has no personal responsibility? Dumb.
He has a responsibility to keep himself and his partner safe.
I'm not sure why he need supersede his own safety for that of someone clearly resisting and capable of inflicting bodily harm on him.
How comfy is your couch?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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He has a responsibility to keep himself and his partner safe.
At all cost?? He needs another job.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I take incidents case by case, although I have a different knowledge than your basic laymen on SOP and threat assessment.
Ah, well great then. Please tell me where shooting a handcuffed man fits into escalation of force in this particular situation.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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As it should be. I'll bet you're grateful your parents, and he rest of your family haven't had to pay for their mistakes by being shot.
My parents don't do things that make them physically incapable of controlling their actions.
If he hadn't taken bath salts, he'd be alive. Everything else is pussyfooting around that fact.
We always want someone else to blame.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Right. There are still blithering idiots who believe you have nothing to fear if you've done nothing wrong.
But this guy did do something wrong and got shot because of it.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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But this guy did do something wrong and got shot because of it.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
So breaking the saw is legitimate reason to get killed?
You'd be dead if so.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not necessary.
More deflection that has nothing to do with this case.
I'm not defending cops, I'm denouncing this idea that we shouldn't hold idiots accountable for their stupidity. If you poke a dog with a stick, you don't get to complain when it bites.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'm not defending cops, I'm denouncing this idea that we shouldn't hold idiots accountable for their stupidity.
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More deflection that has nothing to do with this case.
???
It was a direct response to your statement about your parents. You seem to believe police overreach doesn't affect innocent people.
???
Wbo's saying the person shouldn't be held accountable???
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 12:01 am
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So breaking the saw is legitimate reason to get killed?
Depends in the law but in general no.
This isn't about a punishment fitting the crime though, it's about a man who did something with dangerous inherent risks and now that those risks came to fruition I'm asked to blame everyone but him.
His actions cost him his life, whether or not that fit his particular crime isn't the point. A robber using an unloaded gun doesn't "deserve" death for his crime, but nobody should excuse his behavior because the man behind the register shoots him.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:05 am to Roger Klarvin
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His actions cost him his life
His actions contributed to putting him in a position where police could shoot him while handcuffed. Police overreaction cost him his life.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It was a direct response to your statement about your parents. You seem to believe police overreach doesn't affect innocent people.
All I said was they don't do bath salts. If a police officer shot them for walking down the street, that would be an entirely different discussion.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:08 am to the808bass
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So the cop has no personal responsibility? Dumb.
I wish my couch was this comfortable.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:10 am to Roger Klarvin
Do we know how he obtained bath salts?
If he was tased 5 times earlier in the day, I'm not sure how he could be in position to obtain and use drugs.
You'd think he would have been in some kind of lock down area.
If he was tased 5 times earlier in the day, I'm not sure how he could be in position to obtain and use drugs.
You'd think he would have been in some kind of lock down area.
This post was edited on 6/20/14 at 12:11 am
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:10 am to TeLeFaWx
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Nothing changes with the addition of a gun -- protests and lawsuits all around.
Except someone is dead.
"If she hadn't worn that dress
If he hand't gone into that neighborhood
If they didn't associate with drug users..."
It's easy to blame victims of violent crime.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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His actions contributed to putting him in a position where police could shoot him while handcuffed. Police overreaction cost him his life.
Never a good idea to put yourself into a situation where you are actively provoking a man with a gun, regardless of how trigger happy the man is.
It's precisely why, if asked by an officer with a gun drawn to do something, I'm going to do it and raise hell later when there isn't a gun pointed at me. This man, by his actions, removed that rationality from the table. Boo hoo for him.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:14 am to Sleeping Tiger
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Do we know how he obtained bath salts?
He probably bought them. You know, with money. It's this stuff the fed....
I've said too much.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:14 am to Roger Klarvin
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Never a good idea to put yourself into a situation where you are actively provoking a man with a gun,
Well, I guess we were wrong in assuming officers should receive training on how to deal with these situations in a less than lethal manner. I know it's expecting FAR too much of L.E. to think they would react differently than the general population.
Posted on 6/20/14 at 12:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
I think most people would have shot him long before the officer did, but thats beside the point.
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