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re: "Christians didn't invent marriage. Why do they think they can define it."
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:12 pm to sorantable
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:12 pm to sorantable
I'm a Christian. I married a female.
I don't care who or what people want to wed. I'm not going to support any other kind of marriage, but I don't care enough to oppose any other, either.
I don't care who or what people want to wed. I'm not going to support any other kind of marriage, but I don't care enough to oppose any other, either.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:12 pm to wadewilson
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If you're concerned about the fate of the nuclear family, that ship has sailed. The nuclear family is already broken.
So we should stop promoting an institution that clearly is a benefit to society? Seems to me if it's breaking down we should promote it more.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:12 pm to UMRealist
When someone argues that gay parents aren't as good as straight ones, for them or for the children, and it is known that gay parents can only be parents if they adopt, I was saying you can't compare a traditional born-from-their-parents child to an adopted one
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:14 pm to Alahunter
Let's round up all the gays and send them to Puerto Rico on the promise that we will grant them statehood. Then within the next couple of generations all the gays will have died out because you can't get pregnant from fudge packing.
They can marry whoever they want on their island paradise.
They can marry whoever they want on their island paradise.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:14 pm to mrnegative
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it is known that gay parents can only be parents if they adopt
Not true. Surrogates...
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:14 pm to Duke
I suppose one benefit to same-sex marriages is that they aren't subject to the unequal protection that family courts provide for fathers vs mothers in the case of divorce.
So there's that.
So there's that.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:15 pm to mrnegative
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I was saying you can't compare a traditional born-from-their-parents child to an adopted one
You're right. An adoption has to be planned out and approved.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:16 pm to OBReb6
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Let's round up all the gays and send them to Puerto Rico on the promise that we will grant them statehood. Then within the next couple of generations all the gays will have died out because you can't get pregnant from fudge packing.
They can marry whoever they want on their island paradise.
Yeah, because gay babies all come from gay donors, right?
The last time that I checked, it was the straight people producing gay offspring.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:16 pm to CatFan81
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Surrogate
All kinds of legal issues can arise from this route at any given time down the road.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:17 pm to CatFan81
You replied to that in a serious manner. Wow
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:17 pm to OBReb6
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You replied to that I'm a serious manner. Wow
You never know on here.
I've seen similar shite before with people being dead serious.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:17 pm to OBReb6
Do you even catfan bro?
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:18 pm to Ross
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People should get to marry whoever the hell they want as far as the government is concerned. If churches don't want to hold a ceremony for a gay couple then that is their business.
This. Marriage should be viewed as a contractual agreement between consenting adults when it comes to the government. Government should not intervene with individuals' freedom of contract.
Religious institutions view marriage as a holy sacrament or spriritual bond. The First Amendment allows them to marry or not marry who they want.
It is pretty cut and dry to me.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:19 pm to CatFan81
Half of your posts are needless replies to blatant sarcasm. You would think you would have picked up on it by now.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:20 pm to OBReb6
I've been off lately. My sarcasm meter is broken...
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:21 pm to Alahunter
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Where is this current information suggesting it?
frick do you really want to make me google? I've got a tight Champions League match to split my attention already. The early studies have suggested there are at worst minimal effects on children raised in a gay household compared to your average family (from what I have read a while ago).
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So why the break. Tax them at a higher rate and help the single income person out with lower rates.
To promote marriages instead of staying single. Unless you think marriage isn't any better than a single parent household. Then it's wasting money and should be eliminated. I believe it's significantly better and a cheap way to promote more marriages.
I do think single income earners need more tax breaks too though. Especially an expansion of the EITC for the lower end of the single earners.
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Needs to happen and would solve most issues.
At best it would have no impact and at worst would lead to less marriages.
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But in the real world, it happens. Quite a bit, in all types of taxes.
We don't disagree. Hence how I prefaced the original statement with "It can" to suggest it doesn't always work out that well in practice. That's a different discussion.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:23 pm to Ross
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People should get to marry whoever the hell they want as far as the government is concerned. If churches don't want to hold a ceremony for a gay couple then that is their business.
The government shouldnt be legislating marriage at all.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:24 pm to Duke
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To promote marriages instead of staying single. Unless you think marriage isn't any better than a single parent household
You don't have to be married to be in a two parent household.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:25 pm to sorantable
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"Christians didn't invent marriage. Why do they think they can define it."
So the Christian God didn't set rules for marriage that Christians followed? Ok
ETA: As far as the government goes, they should stay out of it. But there are a few gay rights groups who think that churches should be forced to marry gay couples and I think that's insanely idiotic. It's like women's rights groups who think religious businesses should have to pay for their birth control
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:25 pm to Duke
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Unless you think marriage isn't any better than a single parent household
In some cases, it is better than a 2 person household. Bribing to keep people together in a bad relationship isn't good for children in the long run.
Gov't shouldn't be in the marriage business, imho. That should remain strictly religious events, by whatever denominations see fit. This would not affect legal standings, by cohabitation and legal documents being drawn up for those that wish to be recognized as being legally responsible for one another.
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