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re: Catholic couple fined $13,000 for refusing to host same-sex ‘wedding’
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:46 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:46 pm to TeLeFaWx
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There isn't just one motel in Atlanta, but that doesn't mean you can refuse all black people a room. How do you not get this?
Once again, you're equating being black with the choice of gay wedding venue. You cannot be taken seriously.
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Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:47 pm to TeLeFaWx
Yes I did. You would like to bring to question, anyone's education that doesn't agree with you.
People who work hard, buy land, and pay their taxes on that land, they have the right to say what happens there. Those rights are unquestionable to me, no matter what some stupid law says.
If you want a farm for gays to get married on, go get yourself a job, buy it, then do whatever you want.
I promise, I wouldn't care if you did that. That would be your business.
People who work hard, buy land, and pay their taxes on that land, they have the right to say what happens there. Those rights are unquestionable to me, no matter what some stupid law says.
If you want a farm for gays to get married on, go get yourself a job, buy it, then do whatever you want.
I promise, I wouldn't care if you did that. That would be your business.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:47 pm to TeLeFaWx
I think the part about it also being their home is the tough part to deal with. If I don't like you I shouldn't have to have you as a customer. Owners needed to get the gay out of it.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:52 pm to Kentucker
Why would I need to sue anyone?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:56 pm to auggie
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Why would I need to sue anyone?
Because you're a victim, according to Kenfricker and TeflonAss
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:57 pm to roadGator
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If I don't like you I shouldn't have to have you as a customer.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:58 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Once again, you're equating being black with the choice of gay wedding venue.
I'm not equating being black with the choice of a gay wedding venue. Your words don't make sense.
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You cannot be taken seriously.
Because I think people are both capable of being racist and homophobic? I legitimately don't get where you have a problem with what I'm saying. You're either ignoring it, or repeating a jumbled mess of the topics being discussed, but not actually anything I'm saying.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:58 pm to Stonehog
Why you gettin mad?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:01 pm to roadGator
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I think the part about it also being their home is the tough part to deal with. If I don't like you I shouldn't have to have you as a customer. Owners needed to get the gay out of it.
Then they should have had a problem with the specific individuals and how they acted, and just kept their mouths shut about it being because they're gay. If they had a legitimate reason to not want to do business with them, then that's their prerogative, and if they swore on the Bible in a court of law it wasn't because they were gay, then they wouldn't pay a fine. And even if it's their private property, it's available for public commerce. If you run a bed and breakfast on your property, you can't refuse patrons a room simply because they are black.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Because I think people are both capable of being racist and homophobic? I legitimately don't get where you have a problem with what I'm saying. You're either ignoring it, or repeating a jumbled mess of the topics being discussed, but not actually anything I'm saying.
I've maintained that private property rights are relevant, you've argued that they aren't if someone's feelings are hurt. A person cannot choose to be black, a person can choose to get married. What is so hard to understand?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:06 pm to auggie
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Yes I did. You would like to bring to question, anyone's education that doesn't agree with you.
No, a lot of people didn't take business law classes, even fellow engineers from my alma mater and their understanding of this issue goes no further than conservative radio(which I listen to an enjoy, btw).
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People who work hard, buy land, and pay their taxes on that land, they have the right to say what happens there. Those rights are unquestionable to me, no matter what some stupid law says.
They do, and I fully support that. Until they open it up to public commerce, then they must abide by certain laws laid out in the Constitution.
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If you want a farm for gays to get married on, go get yourself a job, buy it, then do whatever you want.
I have a job, but I don't want to own and operate a wedding venue for people. Sounds terribly boring.
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I promise, I wouldn't care if you did that. That would be your business.
If that was my business, then it would also be the business of local, state and federal interest subject to laws, taxes and regulations. Some regulations that even promote the free market. If you have a problem with those laws, elect better politicians.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:09 pm to Kentucker
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Salesman says, "Sorry." Is this acceptable discrimination to you?
Hell, yes.
Wait. Are they the only fricking car dealer in the world? No? I guess I'll buy a car somewhere the Frick else.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:11 pm to TeLeFaWx
Look, it is about their rights as a property owner.
They should be able to make any decision they choose about what happens there, as long as it doesn't endanger the physical safety of other people.
I don't care what you do on your place, why wouldn't you grant me the same respect?
They should be able to make any decision they choose about what happens there, as long as it doesn't endanger the physical safety of other people.
I don't care what you do on your place, why wouldn't you grant me the same respect?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:12 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I've maintained that private property rights are relevant,
So have I. I have also stated that private property rights don't always extend to public commerce, something you've refused to acknowledge.
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you've argued that they aren't if someone's feelings are hurt
Never once have I mentioned someone's feelings.
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A person cannot choose to be black, a person can choose to get married
Are you completely missing what's happening here? What if the person refused to let them rent the property for marriage because they were black? Would you tell that black person they can choose to get married someone else? That used to happen you know. People thought interracial marriage was against God's will.
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What is so hard to understand?
Nothing on my end, but you seem to be completely missing everything. You can be discriminated against for being black. You can be discriminated against for being gay. Do you not agree with either of those sentences? Or are you just trying to ignore addressing anything I'm saying directly? I seriously have no idea at this point.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:12 pm to auggie
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I don't care what you do on your place, why wouldn't you grant me the same respect?
Are you engaging in commerce on your property or not?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:12 pm to auggie
But the gays had their feelings hurt and now the gays can buy a new flat screen TV with their $2000 and the state has $10000 more dollars. So, I guess you didn't think about that.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:14 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:14 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Would you tell that black person they can choose to get married someone else? That used to happen you know. People thought interracial marriage was against God's will.
Why would you want a racist to perform your wedding if you're black? Why do we need people to be forced to agree with us?
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:15 pm to the808bass
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Wait. Are they the only fricking car dealer in the world? No? I guess I'll buy a car somewhere the Frick else.
I would guess they're the only car dealer in the world giving a $5,000 discount on all their cars after agreeing on the best price.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:15 pm to Kentucker
It was a ridiculous hypothetical. It still doesn't change the answer.
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