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Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:50 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:50 pm to Vols&Shaft83
3 of our last 4 presidents have been complete cucks for the house of saudi. Trump will change that though
Posted on 12/2/15 at 10:53 pm to Kentucker
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Don't mistake Saudi Arabia as a friend of the U.S
I dont. To me, this is all about money and not as much religion...that is just an easy way to trick young men into doing your bidding.
Side note: just saw on CNN an "expert" says that the suspect wanted this to look like terrorism, but it is in fact workplace violence as well. And they are still hammering away at this long gun thing.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:06 pm to Alahunter
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To be fair, they are simply wanting the President to acknowledge that Islam is a dangerous cult that preaches violence and that open borders have allowed violent ones into our midst. They want American citizens to come first.
I agree, to the point that they desperately hope for these shooters to end up being Muslims just as much as the left hopes they are white republicans.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
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to the point that they desperately hope for these shooters to end up being Muslims just as much as the left hopes they are white republicans.
Politics really make people suck.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:24 pm to Alahunter
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It's really unreal at how the MSM would rather demonize Americans and their civil rights and make them more vulnerable.
My goodness.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:02 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Disgruntled or not, looks like one was a public health employee (the department hosting the party). Definitely doesn't seem spur of the moment though
Disgruntled or not, looks like one was a public health employee (the department hosting the party). Definitely doesn't seem spur of the moment though
Posted on 12/3/15 at 8:11 am to heartbreakTiger
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3 of our last 4 presidents have been complete cucks for the house of saudi.
The House of Saud is a mixed bag. They are trying to keep a relatively crazy populace under wraps but in order to do that they have to pander to some of their craziness. On the other hand, they are a strong counter to Iran and are the de facto champion of the Sunnis in the region. Not saying they are great guys but they have helped hold the region together for years now.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 9:20 am to Kentucker
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It may be time for boots on the ground in Syria
I nominate you to be on the first plane over there. Put your money where your mouth is, a-hole.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:01 am to The Spleen
I love it when a criticism is absent an alternative solution. What's your answer to ISIS, Sphincter Man?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:10 am to Kentucker
I don't have one. The subject is far too complex and nuanced, and requires knowledge of things us average citizens will never acquire, to really give a substantive proposal.
My simple, knee-jerk alternative is to stop sending so much money and arms over there, particularly to Saudi Arabia, and let them sort it out.
My simple, knee-jerk alternative is to stop sending so much money and arms over there, particularly to Saudi Arabia, and let them sort it out.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:37 am to The Spleen
While e we allowing them to "sort it out" they are busy killing Westerners.
Why is it that any type of strong action is derided by the left as "simplistic, not nuanced"?
You tell me that if we told the Saudis to quit supporting these animals or we will hand them over to the radicals in their own country wouldn't send a clear, unambiguous message?
Why is it that any type of strong action is derided by the left as "simplistic, not nuanced"?
You tell me that if we told the Saudis to quit supporting these animals or we will hand them over to the radicals in their own country wouldn't send a clear, unambiguous message?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:22 pm to The Spleen
As a devout reductionist, I see it rather more simply. Muslims want to conquer the world. So do the Christians.
Note that I didn't say some Muslims. Similar to Christianity, Islam is in a permanent state of struggle with the infidel foe. Their creed includes assimilation of or death to anyone who doesn't adopt their religion.
The stage is set for a very long religious war. It could persist for the rest of this century. Muslims are conducting a military campaign against a longstanding Christian effort of world conversion.
Christians are responding with military interventions when radical Muslim groups make advancements or attack with guerrilla tactics. Radical Muslims are trying to unseat Islamic governments that they regard as puppets of the West, Christians.
Respite from this war will come only when Christians, with their weapons advantages, beat down the radical Muslims to an ineffectual state. Of course, being religion based, it will flare up again as Muslims rebuild their number of radicals.
Knowing all this, I think it's to the benefit of the West to keep most of the battles on the Muslims' turf. A majority of Muslims may not be actively fighting against Christianity but a vast majority are sympathetic to the radicals' cause and support them when possible.
Leaving them to their own devices in the Middle East is not an option. The world has shrunk to the point that we cannot avoid each other.
This, of course, only serves to accentuate our differences. Continued warfare is inevitable.
Note that I didn't say some Muslims. Similar to Christianity, Islam is in a permanent state of struggle with the infidel foe. Their creed includes assimilation of or death to anyone who doesn't adopt their religion.
The stage is set for a very long religious war. It could persist for the rest of this century. Muslims are conducting a military campaign against a longstanding Christian effort of world conversion.
Christians are responding with military interventions when radical Muslim groups make advancements or attack with guerrilla tactics. Radical Muslims are trying to unseat Islamic governments that they regard as puppets of the West, Christians.
Respite from this war will come only when Christians, with their weapons advantages, beat down the radical Muslims to an ineffectual state. Of course, being religion based, it will flare up again as Muslims rebuild their number of radicals.
Knowing all this, I think it's to the benefit of the West to keep most of the battles on the Muslims' turf. A majority of Muslims may not be actively fighting against Christianity but a vast majority are sympathetic to the radicals' cause and support them when possible.
Leaving them to their own devices in the Middle East is not an option. The world has shrunk to the point that we cannot avoid each other.
This, of course, only serves to accentuate our differences. Continued warfare is inevitable.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:23 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Why is it that any type of strong action is derided by the left as "simplistic, not nuanced"?
"Boots on the ground" isn't really a nuanced position. Where do we put them? What is their goal? What do we do once we achieve that goal? Did some of y'all sleep during the Iraq War? Have we ignored history repeating itself a few times over in the ME? We give arms to one group to help them fight some war, then that group turns around and is suddenly our enemy. Or we put "boots on the ground" to assist in their effort, train them, then they turn on us.
Here's a hint. If we invade the ME yet again, and completely eradicate ISIS, guess what happens? Some other radicalized Muslim faction forms and starts doing the same stuff. It's a proposal conjured up by neanderthal level thinking.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 12:25 pm to SoFla Tideroller
When you look at how terrorist groups operate they tend to thrive in chaos. While there are many bad dudes in Saudi Arabia, they are largely held in check and cannot effectively operate because a powerful state security apparatus is there to disrupt. Worst case scenarios are areas without a strong government to hold them accountable.
Sudan: Turbulent government allowed Al Qaeda to operate but once the pressure was strong enough on the leaders of the country they ended up basically chasing Al Qaeda out of the country.
Afghanistan: The civil war left Al Qaeda free to plan, train, and operate with little fear of retribution. Some think the Taliban "allowed" them to do so but there is reason to believe that the Taliban couldn't have effectively stopped them if they had wanted to.
Somalia: Al Shabaab and Al Qaeda have both at times found freedom to operate due to the failed state and lack of accountability. While Al Shabaab was in some ways a participant in the civil war, there were wings that acted as de facto terrorists.
Bottom line, if you want to slow down ISIS, you need to create a stable regime in Syria. The chaos at work allows terrorism to flourish.
Sudan: Turbulent government allowed Al Qaeda to operate but once the pressure was strong enough on the leaders of the country they ended up basically chasing Al Qaeda out of the country.
Afghanistan: The civil war left Al Qaeda free to plan, train, and operate with little fear of retribution. Some think the Taliban "allowed" them to do so but there is reason to believe that the Taliban couldn't have effectively stopped them if they had wanted to.
Somalia: Al Shabaab and Al Qaeda have both at times found freedom to operate due to the failed state and lack of accountability. While Al Shabaab was in some ways a participant in the civil war, there were wings that acted as de facto terrorists.
Bottom line, if you want to slow down ISIS, you need to create a stable regime in Syria. The chaos at work allows terrorism to flourish.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:48 pm to Kentucker
It's about ethnic differences and tribalism, same as every other conflict.
In the 60s it was Arab Nationalism. Today its Islamic Extremism.
You'll note where these assholes typically come from. Its not Indonesia, which has the largest population of Muslims on earth. They come from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan, ect. Places that have been mixing pots of conflict throughout history. Crusaders, Mongolian Invasions (including the oft forgotten and absolutely brutal Timur The Lame), and others. Those existential threads breed tribalism.
Just like how Serbian Christians are fricking bonkers and did all sorts of war crimes in the 1990s. Alexander the Great, Romans, Ottomans all had conquests through the Balkans. Look at the actual Caucasus, plenty of extremism there too. Also subject to many conquests from various groups. Its why the Japanese still are loathed by Koreans and Chinese, because of their centuries of trying to conquer and general a-hole behavior.
I'm no fan of Islam, but she is the vehicle of conflict here. Not the reason.
In the 60s it was Arab Nationalism. Today its Islamic Extremism.
You'll note where these assholes typically come from. Its not Indonesia, which has the largest population of Muslims on earth. They come from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan, ect. Places that have been mixing pots of conflict throughout history. Crusaders, Mongolian Invasions (including the oft forgotten and absolutely brutal Timur The Lame), and others. Those existential threads breed tribalism.
Just like how Serbian Christians are fricking bonkers and did all sorts of war crimes in the 1990s. Alexander the Great, Romans, Ottomans all had conquests through the Balkans. Look at the actual Caucasus, plenty of extremism there too. Also subject to many conquests from various groups. Its why the Japanese still are loathed by Koreans and Chinese, because of their centuries of trying to conquer and general a-hole behavior.
I'm no fan of Islam, but she is the vehicle of conflict here. Not the reason.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 3:54 pm to Duke
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You'll note where these a-holes typically come from. Its not Indonesia
I get the tenor of your post, but this part isn't terribly accurate.
Indonesian terrorists aren't attacking the US, but at home they are and have for a very long time been acting in very similar fashion as their middle eastern brethren.
The vehicle of choice is usually suicide bombing and they've killed & wounded hundreds of people over the last 20 years.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 12/3/15 at 4:02 pm to JustGetItRight
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Indonesian terrorists aren't attacking the US, but at home they are and have for a very long time been acting in very similar fashion as their middle eastern brethren.
Domestic terrorism is a little different. Typically born of internal power struggles. I do take your point though, it isn't accurate to say terrorism and terrorist doesnt happen in or from there.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:07 pm to Duke
Suit up boys. You're going to war.
Btw Im old and fat. Thanks for protecting my freedoms :^)
Btw Im old and fat. Thanks for protecting my freedoms :^)
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 12/3/15 at 5:14 pm to Duke
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but she is the vehicle of conflict here. Not the reason.
Should be rather obvious to anyone who is educated. But you look out and all you see is pawns, pawns everywhere.
think like a pawn, be a pawn.
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