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Posted on 9/11/14 at 6:17 pm to cas4t
Bush didn't predict shite. There has been unrest in that land since Abraham was butt fricking the local sloots.
The rhetoric in the OP is a bunch of horse hockey that was probably said to garner support for a conflict we should've never been involved in. It had nothing to do with stopping terrorism or whatever buzzword you prefer, and a whole lot of money was made off the blood of young Americans which is disgusting.
If anything, Eisenhower's prediction is more relevant to Iraq than the bullshite in the op.
The rhetoric in the OP is a bunch of horse hockey that was probably said to garner support for a conflict we should've never been involved in. It had nothing to do with stopping terrorism or whatever buzzword you prefer, and a whole lot of money was made off the blood of young Americans which is disgusting.
If anything, Eisenhower's prediction is more relevant to Iraq than the bullshite in the op.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 6:37 pm to deltaland
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2. Find the source of their weapons and funding and cut it off. Of course, we are the actual source of many of the arms they acquired because we keep supporting rebel groups in the ME. If we stop intervening over there, a lot of this wouldn't happen.
This is the incredibly funny truth of the situation. I guess our government's plan to stop funding future ISIS's is to bomb itself?!?!?
Would be
if their weren't so many sheeple who believed our governments creation of enemies. quote:
“It was curious to think that the sky was the same for everybody, in Eurasia or Eastasia as well as here. And the people under the sky were also very much the same--everywhere, all over the world, hundreds or thousands of millions of people just like this, people ignorant of one another's existence, held apart by walls of hatred and lies, and yet almost exactly the same--people who had never learned to think but were storing up in their hearts and bellies and muscles the power that would one day overturn the world.”
Posted on 9/11/14 at 6:39 pm to diddydirtyAubie
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Iraq was a lot better when Saddam was alive.
The Kurds say "Ne."
Posted on 9/11/14 at 6:53 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
LINK
Great youtube video on ISIS. I would even stick around or watch the one after this about the manufacturing of enemies.
The whole video is great but I appreciated the parts at 12:31 mark about Libya Syria and weapons and the 18th minute mark until the end especially including the Shakespeare quote and chess analogy at 19:25.
Great youtube video on ISIS. I would even stick around or watch the one after this about the manufacturing of enemies.
The whole video is great but I appreciated the parts at 12:31 mark about Libya Syria and weapons and the 18th minute mark until the end especially including the Shakespeare quote and chess analogy at 19:25.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:01 pm to scrooster
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Exactly ... Bush could be incredibly stupid at times, but he wasn't a liar.
False.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:05 pm to Hardy_Har
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A fellow from the Al-Janabi tribe seeking amnesty created that story and it was gathered through German intel but was not immediately released to Fiveeyes. The guy was the son of a Batthist Shitte who was a friend of Hussein. All this is documented, even to the levels of not having enough evidence to support the claim. Was it created by us? frick no you conspiracy snorting blowhard. Was the intel there from a known source but not confirmed? Absolutely
So you think Bush started a war based on one piece of intel?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:09 pm to Stonehog
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False
I laugh at this. I know that you and I are on opposite sides of everything, but come now.
Misguided, warmongering, aloof, dumb sounding, religious right,
I agree that he's all of those things in a negative way, but he was a pretty straight up guy.
You can call him a liar for his reasons for going to war but then every rep and senator is just as much a liar.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:17 pm to 3nOut
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You can call him a liar for his reasons for going to war but then every rep and senator is just as much a liar.
You don't win the R or D nominee without being a sell out. That political funding and name recognition doesn't come for free.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:23 pm to Stonehog
It was multiple pieces formed by the same person and yes it was premature. Why Bush actually decided to go in March that year no, I do not know. What I do know is the source, his diversion and reasons for doing it have long been admitted. I know and have met his Bathhist grandfather who is the "shiek" over that tribe. I know their ties to Saddam and what they've provided him over the years. Regardless of what else was compiled I do not know but the false information part mentioned earlier is true and proven, which is all I was providing to this thread.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:25 pm to diddydirtyAubie
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Iraq was a lot better when Saddam was alive.
No, alot more genocide when Saddam was running the show. True story.
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:25 pm to 3nOut
Are you saying Bush never lied?
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:25 pm to cas4t
Pretty much common sense, plenty of people knew it would happen, even before we went in, in 2003
Posted on 9/11/14 at 7:30 pm to Stonehog
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Are you saying Bush never lied?
Of course not. He's a politician.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:29 am to 3nOut
I think it's a fair statement to say that every president in the history of this country has bold-face lied to the American people.
I don't think Bush is a dishonest man, and I don't Obama is a dishonest man. I think they both made political moves that hurt the country and that corporate America has too much say on Capitol Hill.
I don't think Bush is a dishonest man, and I don't Obama is a dishonest man. I think they both made political moves that hurt the country and that corporate America has too much say on Capitol Hill.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 9:40 am to cas4t
The idea that either of them are bad people who want to purposely deceive the public for personal gain has always been a little ridiculous to me
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 10:08 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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The idea that either of them are bad people who want to purposely deceive the public for personal gain has always been a little ridiculous to me
i completely agree.
I think both of them operated under a set of morals and did their best to stick to that. They were fundamentally different, so that looks very different to those on either side.
on their two major foibles, i think Obama literally bought his own camp's BS that it's better for everybody, not realizing what the overregulation would actually due to insurance cost and coverage in the real world. Bush, whether he listened to bad advice or was trigger happy, had every reason to believe that those parts of the world had it out for us. You are lying to yourself if you were shocked that there weren't WMDs in Iraq considering what Sadam had done in the past to his own people. Both giant screwups, but both not done to purposefully deceive the American people.
you may not like where either stood, but at the end of the day i think they both did their best for what their vision of America was.
I don't agree with much of President Obama's policies, but i do think most of it was altruistic by his own moral code.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 10:09 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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The idea that either of them are bad people who want to purposely deceive the public for personal gain has always been a little ridiculous to me
Heartily agree.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 10:40 am to TbirdSpur2010
But 9/11 was all staged to get us into Iraq for the oil!!1
Posted on 9/12/14 at 10:45 am to cas4t
No one in this thread has said anything like that.
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