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re: Arkansas State Football team forced to remove Christian crosses from helmets
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:42 pm to The Sultan of Swine
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:42 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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Yeah, it's totally constitutional. Definitely not an amendment specifically prohibiting it.
Show it to me.
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:42 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Why not?
Again, are you really asking why a public institution cant promote a religion?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:42 pm to Vols&Shaft83
read above post
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ETA:
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the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the "Lemon Test". First, the law or policy must have been adopted with a neutral or non-religious purpose. Second, the principle or primary effect must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion. Third, the statute or policy must not result in an "excessive entanglement" of government with religion.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:44 pm to tamctshirt
We know judges have twisted the Constitution. We're aware.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:44 pm to tamctshirt
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tamctshirt
Not of that addresses:
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True, but what if the helmet stickers were purchased by a team member's parents? Or were purchased by a private entity which donated them to the football program?
Are the players not allowed to memorialize a teammate as they see fit if the helmet stickers were not purchased by the university?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:45 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Not of that addresses:
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True, but what if the helmet stickers were purchased by a team member's parents? Or were purchased by a private entity which donated them to the football program?
Are the players not allowed to memorialize a teammate as they see fit if the helmet stickers were not purchased by the university?
It still doesnt matter who spent the money, or whose choice it was to put the sticker on.
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:45 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Again, are you really asking why a public institution cant promote a religion?
I didn't ask that, read again.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:46 pm to TreyAnastasio
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It still doesnt matter who spent the money, or whose choice it was to put the sticker on.
Why not? Because you think crucifixes are icky?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:49 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I dont know why I am even responding to you. You are an admitted troll. You probably dont really care about this issue.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:50 pm to TreyAnastasio
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I dont know why I am even responding to you. You are an admitted troll. You probably dont really care about this issue.
I really don't, but you still haven't answered my question.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:53 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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True, but what if the helmet stickers were purchased by a team member's parents? Or were purchased by a private entity which donated them to the football program?
Are the players not allowed to memorialize a teammate as they see fit if the helmet stickers were not purchased by the university?
LINK
It's a pdf so I can't copy/paste, but go to page 27 (based on the top bar) and read the first statement. That's your answer
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:56 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Are you really asking how it is illegal for a public institution to promote a religion?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:58 pm to tamctshirt
quote:This is the rule you pointed to. Apparently these things are banned. Now, explain how that violate this:
School-sponsored displays of religious symbols, texts or artwork on school property
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:00 pm to genro
Explain how putting crosses on helmets voluntarily is not exhibiting the Christian religion
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:01 pm to tamctshirt
quote:What does that have to do with the Constitution?
Explain how putting crosses on helmets voluntarily is not exhibiting the Christian religion
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:01 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I really don't, but you still haven't answered my question.
I did a while back when I told you that this is not an ideological issue but a legal one. The courts have spoken, man.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:02 pm to tamctshirt
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It's a pdf so I can't copy/paste, but go to page 27 (based on the top bar) and read the first statement. That's your answer
The 2nd statement on that page was a better answer, fwiw. But it's pretty weak sauce, imo. But whatever. You're better at this than Stonehog/Trey.
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:04 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I did a while back when I told you that this is not an ideological issue but a legal one. The courts have spoken, man.
Magma says frick the courts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:05 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Again, are you really asking why a public institution cant promote a religion?
Do you get mad when refs make bad calls against Bama or the Browns?
Posted on 9/12/14 at 1:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:Actually it's a question of tenuous-at-best legal interpretation.. So really, ideology has trumped legality.
did a while back when I told you that this is not an ideological issue but a legal one.
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