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re: Arkansas State Football team forced to remove Christian crosses from helmets

Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:25 pm to
Posted by TreyAnastasio
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:25 pm to
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With the exception of the Hasidics, fact. Sorry.




You have no clue what you are talking about, but whatever.
Posted by tamctshirt
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:26 pm to
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Jews only have this kind of power because they largely abandoned their culture and assimilated to American Christian society.

You obviously haven't been to Houston/LA/NY
This post was edited on 9/12/14 at 12:26 pm
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:26 pm to
Nah, man. Y'all still have bar mitzvahs and a religion that few of the followers actually believe. It's just like the old country. You're not American at all.
Posted by TreyAnastasio
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:26 pm to
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How is that illegal?


Are you really asking how it is illegal for a public institution to promote a religion?
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
7789 posts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:26 pm to
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How is that illegal? Sure, it pisses you off but that doesn't matter.


Doesn't piss me off, honestly. I don't have a problem with Christianity.

If someone was using your tax money to pay for an Islamic symbol, you might see it differently.
Posted by TreyAnastasio
Bitch I'm From Cleveland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:27 pm to
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Nah, man. Y'all still have bar mitzvahs and a religion that few of the followers actually believe. It's just like the old country. You're not American at all.


Most of us are Jewish by culture first and religion second. To say that we have ditched Jewish culture for American culture is wrong.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:27 pm to
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To say that we have ditched Jewish culture for American culture is wrong.
To say it was any kind of conscious decision is wrong
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:28 pm to
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Are you really asking how it is illegal for a public institution to promote a religion?


Yeah, it's totally constitutional. Definitely not an amendment specifically prohibiting it.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:29 pm to
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Public university = supported by tax funds (partially).




Did a donor complain? Did a player? Because I'm 100% sure that tax dollars did not pay for the helmet stickers. Hell the $500K paycheck they got from UT last week is larger than the cost of all the uniforms, equipment, and operating expenses for the Ak State football program for next 5 years. Did UT complain?
Posted by TreyAnastasio
Bitch I'm From Cleveland
Member since Dec 2010
46759 posts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:30 pm to
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Did a donor complain? Did a player? Because I'm 100% sure that tax dollars did not pay for the helmet stickers. Hell the $500K paycheck they got from UT last week is larger than the cost of all the uniforms, equipment, and operating expenses for the Ak State football program for next 5 years. Did UT complain?


None of this matters
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:31 pm to
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None of this matters



Magma disagrees, eat a dick
Posted by TreyAnastasio
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:32 pm to
What is magma?
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:33 pm to
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Did a donor complain? Did a player? Because I'm 100% sure that tax dollars did not pay for the helmet stickers. Hell the $500K paycheck they got from UT last week is larger than the cost of all the uniforms, equipment, and operating expenses for the Ak State football program for next 5 years. Did UT complain?



Doesn't really matter which specific funds were allocated for the stickers.

I don't believe stAte's athletic department is self-sustaining, by the way. Even if it were, it would not have reached sustainability without past tax funding.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:33 pm to
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What is magma?




Those who know Magma, cannot explain, those who don't, can't understand
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:38 pm to
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Doesn't really matter which specific funds were allocated for the stickers.

I don't believe stAte's athletic department is self-sustaining, by the way. Even if it were, it would not have reached sustainability without past tax funding.




True, but what if the helmet stickers were purchased by a team member's parents? Or were purchased by a private entity which donated them to the football program?

Are the players not allowed to memorialize a teammate as they see fit if the helmet stickers were not purchased by the university?
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:38 pm to
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What is magma?
Magma is hotter the surface of the sun.

The sun is roughly 10,000°F or about 5,800 K


Magma, on the other hand, is a solid OT 8, IRL 10.


Pagans worship the sun, we worship magma. She is hotter.
Posted by TreyAnastasio
Bitch I'm From Cleveland
Member since Dec 2010
46759 posts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:39 pm to
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True, but what if the helmet stickers were purchased by a team member's parents? Or were purchased by a private entity which donated them to the football program?

Are the players not allowed to memorialize a teammate as they see fit if the helmet stickers were not purchased by the university?



Not with a religious symbol.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28984 posts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:40 pm to
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I'm offended by Texas aTm being in the SEC.


Hey, you. Yeah you...Pig.

GFY.
Posted by tamctshirt
Member since Aug 2014
1415 posts
Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:41 pm to
LINK

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The word 'religion' is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning, and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted." The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the "separation" paragraph from Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, "coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured."


quote:

The centrality of the "separation" concept to the Religion Clauses of the Constitution was made explicit in Everson v. Board of Education...This was the first case in which the court applied the Establishment Clause to the laws of a state, having interpreted the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as applying the Bill of Rights to the states as well as the federal legislature. Citing Jefferson, the court concluded that "The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach."


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In 1962, the Supreme Court addressed the issue of officially-sponsored prayer or religious recitations in public schools. In Engel v. Vitale...determined it unconstitutional for state officials to compose an official school prayer and require its recitation in public schools, even when the prayer is non-denominational and students may excuse themselves from participation. As the Court stated:

The petitioners contend, among other things, that the state laws requiring or permitting use of the Regents' prayer must be struck down as a violation of the Establishment Clause because that prayer was composed by governmental officials as a part of a governmental program to further religious beliefs


The list of rulings against any establishment of any religion in any form of a governmental institution if you would care to read more. Basically these court rulings disallow crosses to be put on the helmets
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/12/14 at 12:41 pm to
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Not with a religious symbol.




Why not?
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