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re: Answer to Muslim woman claiming all Muslims are portrayed badly
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:14 am to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 11/19/15 at 11:14 am to Sneaky__Sally
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The news doesn't want to report it. Or maybe you just don't want to see it.
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frick that was hard
Yes, its everywhere!!!
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Posted on 11/19/15 at 12:07 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Seriously just google it if you actually want to see muslims condemn the radicals.
Condemn. Not take action against.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 12:24 pm to bbvdd
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Condemn. Not take action against.
So the "rebel groups" in Syria, the Kurds, Jordan and Turkey who all are fighting ISIS aren't taking action against them?
Or do you mean people who already live in the West and have no ties or influence on radical elements? Because asking those people to do more than condemn would be like asking me to take down the Westboro Baptist Church
Posted on 11/19/15 at 12:29 pm to GenesChin
Westboro Baptist Church =/= Radical or even "Moderate" Islam.
I hate WBC, but I'd rather have them in my neighborhood than a mosque.
I hate WBC, but I'd rather have them in my neighborhood than a mosque.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 12:30 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I don't think you understood the analogy.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 12:36 pm to pvilleguru
90% of Muslims support Sharia Law. I don't give a frick whether they like ISIS or not, they support my death because I don't believe in their shitty, child raping, prophet.
I don't expect the "Moderate" Muslims in the west to go fight ISIS, I expect them to either abandon their belief in Sharia Law or GTFO.
I don't expect the "Moderate" Muslims in the west to go fight ISIS, I expect them to either abandon their belief in Sharia Law or GTFO.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 1:10 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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90% of Muslims support Sharia Law.
I don't expect the "Moderate" Muslims in the west to go fight ISIS, I expect them to either abandon their belief in Sharia Law or GTFO.
Have any credible survey/poll to support that 90% claim?
If someone wants to live according to Sharia law within the confines of the American legal system, IDGAF. None of my business.
Also, since we don't have "stonings" and other punishments according to Sharia law in the US, it is safe to say they have abandoned Sharia law by living without it.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 1:18 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Also, it is a cultural clash more than religious. Their cultural history fuels their interpretation of their religious laws and religion. Pre Enlightenment Europe had near identical societal beliefs about heretics and legal rights too. We were lucky enough to have an Enlightenment and renaissance
ETA: There is a reason there are largely Islamic countries like Turkey or Jordan are considered allies and actively support US/West. It isn't Islam per say but underlying culture which is basically unchanged from medieval times
ETA: There is a reason there are largely Islamic countries like Turkey or Jordan are considered allies and actively support US/West. It isn't Islam per say but underlying culture which is basically unchanged from medieval times
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:32 pm to GenesChin
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51% of American Muslims want Shariah. Roughly 300,000. Paris attack required only 5-10, I think 9/11 was 18?
Nearly 1/5th support using violence to get shariah law.
Not sure what percent would remain silent during an overthrow or uprising.
51% of American Muslims want Shariah. Roughly 300,000. Paris attack required only 5-10, I think 9/11 was 18?
Nearly 1/5th support using violence to get shariah law.
Not sure what percent would remain silent during an overthrow or uprising.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:45 pm to N97883
That uprising would be stopped with the quickness. Guerrilla warfare would destroy them.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:48 pm to N97883
1- That still isn't even close to "90%"
2- I said credible poll. That poll was an absolute joke and purposely misleading & politically motivated Georgetown Full Debunking of poll
2- I said credible poll. That poll was an absolute joke and purposely misleading & politically motivated Georgetown Full Debunking of poll
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CSP’s survey was a non-probability based, opt-in online survey, administered by the conservative group, the Polling Company/Woman Trend
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According to the body that sets ethical standards for polling, the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR), opt-in surveys cannot be considered representative of the intended population, in this case Muslims. The AAPOR says that in these cases, “the pollster has no idea who is responding to the question” and that these kind of “polls do not have such a ‘grounded statistical tie’ to the population.”
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:57 pm to GenesChin
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:58 pm to GenesChin
Another fun fact, the demographics of that "Islamic Poll" you sourced. Only 16% were of Middle Eastern origin.
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29. Which of the following best describes your racial background? (ROTATE)
32% CAUCASIAN OR WHITE
24% AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR BLACK
20% ASIAN OR PACIFIC ISLANDER
16% MIDDLE EASTERN
3% HISPANIC OR LATINO
2% NATIVE AMERICAN
3% MULTI-RACIAL OR OTHER, SPECIFIED (NET)
1% DECLINE TO STATE
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 4:08 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Vols&Shaft83
Did you even read the accompanying analysis of the research? From that article
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Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam
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in most countries, the prevailing view is that such acts are never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies
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By comparison, in countries where Islam is not legally favored, roughly a third or fewer Muslims say sharia should be the law of the land. Support is especially low in Kazakhstan (10%) and Azerbaijan (8%)
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First, many, but by no means all, supporters of sharia believe the law of Islam should apply only to Muslims.
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In Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe, relatively few Muslims who back sharia support severe criminal punishments.
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As in the case of support for religious courts and making sharia official law, attitudes toward equal inheritance appear to reflect, at least in part, a society’s legal and social norms.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 4:14 pm to GenesChin
I said 90% of Muslims support Sharia Law, which may be incorrect, but it's not that far off.
I didn't say 90% of Muslims in the United States support Sharia Law, did I ?
I didn't say 90% of Muslims in the United States support Sharia Law, did I ?
Posted on 11/19/15 at 4:18 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I said 90% of Muslims support Sharia Law, which may be incorrect, but it's not that far off.
You didn't even read the article. They basically asked (and pointed this out) that they asked what would be the equivalent to you or me "Do you think the US Constitution and law is better system than German legal system?"
I quoted their points on that for you just in case
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 4:24 pm to Vols&Shaft83
If you told me that a group of people from Syria moved to the US and were building a mosque near my house/encouraging more to move there I would not be happy about it.
If they were Turkish people I wouldn't really mind that much.
Large encounters of any culturally different people normally turns out bad. Historically when people are in a minority and choose to integrate is the best way
If they were Turkish people I wouldn't really mind that much.
Large encounters of any culturally different people normally turns out bad. Historically when people are in a minority and choose to integrate is the best way
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 5:37 pm to GenesChin
quote:Yep. Let them come, but spread them out.
Large encounters of any culturally different people normally turns out bad. Historically when people are in a minority and choose to integrate is the best way
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