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re: Alien megastructures? SETI Institute’s Allen Telescope Array targets weird star.

Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:25 pm to
There is intelligent life out there ... no doubt about it. The math dictates as much.

I'm not sure we should be trying to contact them though.

Can you imagine the difference between a Type II civilization and ours?

1,500 light years from earth is too close for comfort.
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 4:05 pm to
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Alien megastructures?


Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 5:16 pm to
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Can you imagine the difference between a Type II civilization and ours?


Even a Type I civilization would be significantly more advanced than us. The main difference between us and any advanced civilization would be unity versus disarray.

An advanced civilization would be unified, having evolved beyond war and discord. We are bogged down in intraspecies strife with societies jockeying for superior access to resources.

We also have different ideas about how humanity should advance into the future. We routinely kill members of our own species over specious philosophies.

An advanced species would also have created artificial intelligence to either serve it or to take its place in exploration of space, possibly both. Biological evolution is simply not capable of keeping up with the pace of change an advanced brain brings to a species, so the brain must design and produce appropriate vessels that can.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 5:23 pm to
How excited are you that Star Wars: The Force Awakens will be released December 15? I think it's fantastic that we have an investigation into a mysterious solar system going on at the same...Wait! Do you think...Nah, not possible. That would be just too shitty.

Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 5:35 pm to
Never been a huge Stars Wars guy. I'll go see it after the crowds die down at the theaters.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 10:15 pm to
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Never been a huge Stars Wars guy. I'll go see it after the crowds die down at the theaters.
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Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 11/5/15 at 3:28 pm to
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It's fun to think about how aliens might reproduce. Evolution on earth led to sexual dimorphism for its preeminent species, humans.

While this method of reproducing is also dominant amongst animals, especially the bigger species, it isn't universal. One species of lizards can reproduce asexually, for example, and the great majority of tunicates, pulmonate snails, opisthobranch snails and slugs are hermaphrodites.

Hermaphroditism is common amongst plant species and some fish employ that reproduction strategy. One species, in fact, can switch genders at will if there is an imbalance in the number of males and females in a group.

So, asexuality (cloning), hermaphroditism (essentially bisexuality), and sex with its distinct male and female roles are the three ways an organism can reproduce. All three are in use on earth with sex being the dominant form in the animal kingdom and hermaphroditism in plants.

Would this have happened on a planet harboring life in the Tabby's Star system? Sex in animal species predominated because it's an efficient method of exchanging genes.

Genetic diversity promotes a species because viruses and other microbes can't keep up with the pace of genetic change. Therefore, a stronger genetic species will produce more offspring and proliferate.

However, the same can be said for hermaphroditism. The same genetic diversity is achieved by plants and they have come to dominant the planet, providing an oxygen-rich environment for animals.

Asexuality is not an efficient way to achieve genetic diversity, depending upon mutations for change with a hit-or-miss likelihood that the mutation won't be lethal. We see few species that depend upon this method of reproduction and they are usually primitive.

So there are only two methods of reproduction that could produce an intelligent species, which is the end result of genetic mixing. Does the fact that sex led to humans imply that this is the only way a sentient species can arise on a planet?

No. In our example, sex produced a species that sees warring amongst its own members. Also, half of the species is subordinate to the other half (feminism notwithstanding in western societies).

I think hermaphroditism might be superior to sex in that a more peaceful species would likely evolve. If every member of a species is charged exactly equally with contributing to the group, there would be far less pressure to "spread one's genes" by killing rivals and raping his harem.

I won't be surprised at all if our first alien contact is with a species that is hermaphroditic.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 11/5/15 at 3:41 pm to
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It's fun to think about how aliens might reproduce. Evolution on earth led to sexual dimorphism for its preeminent species, humans.

While this method of reproducing is also dominant amongst animals, especially the bigger species, it isn't universal. One species of lizards can reproduce asexually, for example, and the great majority of tunicates, pulmonate snails, opisthobranch snails and slugs are hermaphrodites.

Hermaphroditism is common amongst plant species and some fish employ that reproduction strategy. One species, in fact, can switch genders at will if there is an imbalance in the number of males and females in a group.

So, asexuality (cloning), hermaphroditism (essentially bisexuality), and sex with its distinct male and female roles are the three ways an organism can reproduce. All three are in use on earth with sex being the dominant form in the animal kingdom and hermaphroditism in plants.

Would this have happened on a planet harboring life in the Tabby's Star system? Sex in animal species predominated because it's an efficient method of exchanging genes.

Genetic diversity promotes a species because viruses and other microbes can't keep up with the pace of genetic change. Therefore, a stronger genetic species will produce more offspring and proliferate.

However, the same can be said for hermaphroditism. The same genetic diversity is achieved by plants and they have come to dominant the planet, providing an oxygen-rich environment for animals.

Asexuality is not an efficient way to achieve genetic diversity, depending upon mutations for change with a hit-or-miss likelihood that the mutation won't be lethal. We see few species that depend upon this method of reproduction and they are usually primitive.

So there are only two methods of reproduction that could produce an intelligent species, which is the end result of genetic mixing. Does the fact that sex led to humans imply that this is the only way a sentient species can arise on a planet?

No. In our example, sex produced a species that sees warring amongst its own members. Also, half of the species is subordinate to the other half (feminism notwithstanding in western societies).

I think hermaphroditism might be superior to sex in that a more peaceful species would likely evolve. If every member of a species is charged exactly equally with contributing to the group, there would be far less pressure to "spread one's genes" by killing rivals and raping his harem.

I won't be surprised at all if our first alien contact is with a species that is hermaphroditic.
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Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 11/5/15 at 5:27 pm to
Hermaphroditic or regular?
Posted by StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 8:06 pm to
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Hermaphroditic or regular


Surprise me.
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:16 pm to
Hermaphroditic would definitely be a surprise.

Seriously, though, imagine a society where everyone has both sexes. There would be no sexual conflicts because every person would be equal.

Masturbation might be more fun but there might be taboos against it since a person could possibly impregnate itself (there would be no he or she), although I'd think evolution would have eliminated that possibility.

Would marriage even exist? Or necessary? With the ability to both father and mother offspring, there'd be no need for multiple parents.

This post was edited on 11/6/15 at 10:18 pm
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 11/6/15 at 10:18 pm to
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