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Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:10 pm to bayou2003
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All these people down south don't even know the damn history behind the current one and why it was so popular during a certain time period waaaay after the civil war. But it's heritage.
Mississippi adopted their flag just after the civil war. Has it not occurred to you that it may have been adopted to honor the people who died in that war? I seriously doubt educated leaders of the state sat around and decided on the flag because they were bitter a decade after the war ended.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:13 pm to Goldrush25
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That cuts both ways. People's first reaction to the Charleston shooting shouldn't have been "Oh great, SJWs are about to make this into a race war."
Oh you're absolutely right. This sounds like such a cliche comment but I honestly blame the media. We've been bombarded with instances of black men being killed by police officers over the last few years, and of the other races killed by officers in that time, not a single one has seen media coverage.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:31 pm to skirpnasty
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Mississippi adopted their flag just after the civil war. Has it not occurred to you that it may have been adopted to honor the people who died in that war? I seriously doubt educated leaders of the state sat around and decided on the flag because they were bitter a decade after the war ended.
Well there's a reason they adopted it after the war...there's a reason Mississippi was one of the strongest state's against integration, some of the most infamous murders and lynchings of blacks/civil rights workers....."how they comin down stirrin up trouble". Why is that.. Yeah that explains the confederate flag being adopted on the state flag.lol. It's not a coincidence that Mississippi was also one of the most racist states after the war.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:48 pm to bayou2003
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Well there's a reason they adopted it after the war...there's a reason Mississippi was one of the strongest state's against integration, some of the most infamous murders and lynchings of blacks/civil rights workers....."how they comin down stirrin up trouble". Why is that.. Yeah that explains the confederate flag being adopted on the state flag.lol. It's not a coincidence that Mississippi was also one of the most racist states after the war.
And you really think that's due to the flag? You're completely ignoring that Mississippi is 1) Probably the most "Southern" state and 2) Probably had the most slaves. It shouldn't be a surprise that the state with the highest black to white ratio struggled the most with integration.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:11 pm to skirpnasty
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And you really think that's due to the flag? You're completely ignoring that Mississippi is 1) Probably the most "Southern" state and 2) Probably had the most slaves. It shouldn't be a surprise that the state with the highest black to white ratio struggled the most with integration.
The flag symbolizes white supremacy. Look up the guy who designed the current confederate flag and his feelings about race.lol.
That's why the flag became so popular during the civil rights era.
Then you have idiots like this say it's not about race....but have KKK ties.lol.
Why are the biggest supporters of flag have KKK ties....
Now a KKK group is getting a protest permit.lol. But hey that flag doesn't symbolize hate. Strange the KKK/skinheads are some of the biggest supporters of the flag.
ETA: I don't care for the flag, doesn't bother me...SC can keep it up. But I don't like when people say it's not about slavery, racism, etc. They need to look up the history of it, why it was designed, the persons that designed it feelings about race/slavery, why it became popular during civil rights era, etc. I have southern pride, family from Louisiana and Mississippi. I use my state flag(Louisiana) for Southern pride.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:30 pm to bayou2003
You can't use a very small group to claim that an object is racist. I'm sure the designer was racist, literally the entire country was racist at the time. Lincoln himself was racist.
I don't know why I'm even arguing. I don't care about the flag. Yes it was used by racist groups. That doesn't mean an inanimate object should be associated with racism in 2015. Especially when (at 26 years old) this was the first racist shooting that I can remember, and certainly the first I can remember the flag being associated with. It's not like there are racist murderers flying it all over the south, it was one psychopath who wanted to start a "race war".
I don't know why I'm even arguing. I don't care about the flag. Yes it was used by racist groups. That doesn't mean an inanimate object should be associated with racism in 2015. Especially when (at 26 years old) this was the first racist shooting that I can remember, and certainly the first I can remember the flag being associated with. It's not like there are racist murderers flying it all over the south, it was one psychopath who wanted to start a "race war".
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:45 pm to Landmass
quote:on slavery
It was about the federal government overstepping their bounds.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:46 pm to skirpnasty
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That doesn't mean an inanimate object should be associated with racism in 2015.
Then lets all don klan robes and display swastikas. Inanimate objects and all that jazz. It should be alright, right?
That's such a silly position to take, IMHO.
Flags are designed with meaning in mind. That's literally their whole purpose
can't just look at it in a vacuum because you want to (or aren't a member of the group it tends to offend). I mean, hell, I'm black and I think the rebel battle flag is extremely aesthetically pleasing.
But I won't display it ever because of its connotations.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:47 pm to RedPants
quote:because this place is weird and people are acting like the movement to take the confederate flag away at a federal/public level is somehow an attack on the south
After PikeBishop posted on an earlier page the link to the confederate states' official documents on why they were succeeding, I have no idea how anyone else continued to argue that the war was not about slavery.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:55 pm to skirpnasty
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That doesn't mean an inanimate object should be associated with racism in 2015.
No it should be associated with racism because nearly every official use of it in this country stems from racism and white supremacy.
Quit being dumb.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:56 pm to bayou2003
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why it was designed
just curious, do you know why it was designed? it doesnt seem so
FTR, I dont own, wave, nor have ever owned anything with the battle flag
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The flag symbolizes white supremacy. Look up the guy who designed the current confederate flag and his feelings about race.lol.
That's why the flag became so popular during the civil rights era.
Then you have idiots like this say it's not about race....but have KKK ties.lol.
Why are the biggest supporters of flag have KKK ties....
Now a KKK group is getting a protest permit.lol. But hey that flag doesn't symbolize hate. Strange the KKK/skinheads are some of the biggest supporters of the flag.
with this type of logic you are probably of the same mindset that Muslim=terrorist
The flag does not need to be flown at any government institutions, however monuments and the like are more than acceptable and outright bans on it, are asinine.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:03 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Flags are designed with meaning in mind. That's literally their whole purpose can't just look at it in a vacuum because you want to (or aren't a member of the group it tends to offend).
I let my points drift. I'm defending the State flag of Mississippi, I couldn't care less about the confederate flag. And honestly, I don't care all that much about it. I just think that it's silly for places to be flying 49 flags and not 50 because they try to connect one with racism.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 4:55 pm to skirpnasty
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I let my points drift. I'm defending the State flag of Mississippi, I couldn't care less about the confederate flag.
Ah ok. Tbh, I'm speaking more in generalities at this point than to any specific poster. Sorry if I came off as attacking you. My bad.
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honestly, I don't care all that much about it. I just think that it's silly for places to be flying 49 flags and not 50 because they try to connect one with racism.
I mean, it's not really "trying." The rebel battle flag has inescapable racist connotations, especially given the circumstances (RE: the fight against integration) that led to its re-proliferation in the south. And even Georgia changed their state banner to one less connected with a history of blatant racism a few years back (yes, I realize it's a facsimile of the confederate national flag, but that one wasn't typically used as a rallying point for racism).
I'm not a Mississippian at the end of the day, though--y'all are gonna do what y'all are gonna do. Others will always have something to say about it one way or the other, though. It is what it is
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 7:49 pm to skirpnasty
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