re: 5 Reasons not to ban the confederate flag

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The core reason for the civil war was about states rights.

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Ahh yes, the revisionists' go-to equivocating platitude . We've all heard it a million times, and yet they always keep the argument ambiguous and obtuse. States' rights for WHAT, exactly?

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Everyone knows the Civil War was really about Oil.

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The petrodollar.

This man fricking gets it.

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The core reason for the civil war was about states rights.

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....to own slaves

Yeah, there was a right being curtailed by the new Lincoln administration in the newly created western territories.

But it wasn't the right to free speech, assembly, to bear arms, a free press, exercise of religion, not excessive bail, quartering of troops in homes, or trial by jury.

It was the right to own another human being. Which had gone out of fashion in the rest of the civilized world by 1860.

ISIS is attempting to restore that right. The right for Jihadists to own sex slaves seems to be part of the ISIS Bill of Rights. Think of the Caliph as an Islamic Jefferson Davis, leading a secession movement away from the backsliding Middle Eastern regimes.

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Everyone knows the Civil War was really about Oil.

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Dun, dun, dun! M. Night Shyamalan would be proud.

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1. The civil war was an American Holocaust

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No...not quite right.

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2. The civil war was not about slavery

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yes it was. Any dummy who says it was about "states rights"....y'all realize that is usually in reference to a slave owners right to bring his slaves across state lines and still be his property right?

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3. Lincoln was a racist

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I think he recognized the potential problems of trying to have slaves and slave owners live peacefully after being freed. Not necessarily racist, IMO, just a realist. I'm sure there was some part of him that was racist, but in the context of time, he was progressive enough to free the slaves.

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4. We don't negotiate with terrorists

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What does that have to do with the Confederate flag...something that hasn't been relevant in over 100 years. We don't fly other things that aren't relevant?

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5. America was not built on slavery

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Well....slavery was pretty crucial to southern agriculture and the textile industry as our nation was starting out.

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The core reason for the civil war was about states rights. I thought most everyone knew that, until I started reading threads on TD. Revisionist history only matters to the revisionists.

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I feel impelled, Mr. President, to vote for this Ordinance by an overruling necessity. Years ago I was convinced that the Southern States would be compelled either to separate from the North, by dissolving the Federal Government, or they would be compelled to abolish the institution of African Slavery. This, in my judgment, was the only alternative; and I foresaw that the South would be compelled, at some day, to make her selection. The day is now come, and Alabama must make her selection, either to secede from the Union, and assume the position of a sovereign, independent State, or she must submit to a system of policy on the part of the Federal Government that, in a short time, will compel her to abolish African Slavery.

Speech given at the Secession Convention of Alabama

A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

SC Declaration of Secession

Sorry, the "States Rights" bullshite is the product of the Lost Cause myth. The core issue was slavery, plain and simple.

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It's 2015, time to stop being upset that a white person kills a black person, be upset that your fellow man is taking the lives of others.

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That cuts both ways. People's first reaction to the Charleston shooting shouldn't have been "Oh great, SJWs are about to make this into a race war."

Check this out, first page and that's what some people are worried about. They suck just as much as the people that go out trying to make this a racial issue.

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There is a lot of arguing about points that don't matter here. The confederate flag should be no more offensive than the flag that flew and allowed slavery for the 100 years prior to the civil war. The confederate flag should have been removed after the war, and not because of slavery, but because the war was decided. The fact that it's being done 130 years later is silly.

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Answer this...when did the confederate flag make a big comeback in the south. Before a certain period after the Civil War you didn't see it displayed that much by locals or state govts. Then come a certain time period, the flag was put up in South Carolina, put on the Georgia flag, etc. Why was that?? Then you'd see people waiving the flag at rally's, had the flag on their cars,etc.

Before a certain time period nobody was proudly displaying the confederate flag.....I have family in Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas that grew up from the 30's til present day...they'll tell you when the confederate flag became popular among a certain segment of the population.....but it's not about hate.lmao.

Also they need to look up why the current confederate battle flag was changed to it's form today from the original one. Read about what the man that designed/made it said about blacks and yankees. And what that flag stood for and symbolized.

All these people down south don't even know the damn history behind the current one and why it was so popular during a certain time period waaaay after the civil war. But it's heritage.

After PikeBishop posted on an earlier page the link to the confederate states' official documents on why they were succeeding, I have no idea how anyone else continued to argue that the war was not about slavery.