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Posted on 10/15/16 at 10:29 pm to spytiger
Posted on 10/15/16 at 10:29 pm to spytiger
Zanders ain't the answer either. He was in for the 2nd or 3rd series and did nada. I agree, we have got to slow down the tempo. It's great when you're playing against Delaware State and would be great if you could move the ball against real teams but when you can't, you are killing the defense. Bottom line is I don't see this team competing for a couple/few more years. We don't have the answer at WR and we apparently don't have the answer at QB. I'm not sure we have the answers on the OL either, though they are better than last year.
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Posted on 10/15/16 at 10:43 pm to reedus23
Vandy is the only plus defense over the next month. I would like to see a focus in the run game especially with Crockett. Also some passes that go over the middle of the field.
Posted on 10/15/16 at 10:54 pm to reedus23
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2nd or 3rd series and did nada
He was in for two plays
Posted on 10/15/16 at 11:03 pm to JesusQuintana
And Zander's only had running plays until the 4th qtr, let him run the playbook. Hell it cannot be worse then the last 8 qtrs.
Posted on 10/15/16 at 11:22 pm to Tackle74
mubobby says
I hope they make the move. Lock has lost it and the team needs a spark. I also believe it opens up a different section of the playbook that we may need to use. Misdirection, play action, etc. it's time to try and start fooling some teams because we aren't winning individual matchups.
I hope they make the move. Lock has lost it and the team needs a spark. I also believe it opens up a different section of the playbook that we may need to use. Misdirection, play action, etc. it's time to try and start fooling some teams because we aren't winning individual matchups.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 12:32 am to wubilli
Vandy, UT and Arky defense will give us fits. I'm not saying they're as strong as LSU or UF but let's not act like they're Delaware State. Hell, SC and UK will probably make life difficult for us.
I do agree 100% about Crockett. He's been the only bright spot of the skill positions. 145 on 14 carries is damn impressive against UF.
I do agree 100% about Crockett. He's been the only bright spot of the skill positions. 145 on 14 carries is damn impressive against UF.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 12:33 am to JesusQuintana
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He was in for two plays
And did nada. I was just saying it's not accurate to say he only played against UF's #2's and 3's. He played their #1's too. He just didn't do anything against them.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 12:36 am to JesusQuintana
I don't have a problem making the move either. I just don't think it's the answer. I suspect we'll have to wait until a certain group rotates out/graduates before you'll see a truly effective offense and I'm not talking about just Lock. Our WR's do not get separation regularly.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 7:56 am to reedus23
It's just a shame they tried to "fix" both sides of the ball when the defense didn't need an overhaul.
And where the hell have Jonathon Johnson and Justin Smith gone?
They present match-up problems and it's as if they're in witness protection. Are they injured?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:24 am to Mizz-SEC
Johnson had 25% of Lock's receptions. Too soon?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:27 am to reedus23
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I suspect we'll have to wait until a certain group rotates out/graduates before you'll see a truly effective offense and I'm not talking about just Lock. Our WR's do not get separation regularly.
Are we recruiting/developing WRs?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 9:38 am to spytiger
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What I don't understand are all these sideline passes. Sure, it's one thing to go vertical up the sideline, but that's not the kind of passes I'm seeing. They are very difficult throws to make, even when you have the cannon arm Lock has. You misjudge the window just a little bit and the DB jumps the pass and goes back the other way just like we all saw today.
I understand Huepel's approach. Spread out the defense and create mismatches outside the hashes. So whether that's screens or natural windows based on coverage, it gives Lock an opportunity to complete passes at a high percentage.
Alabama is using this same philosophy to thrive. I believe their QB throwing ratio is something like 40% outside the hashes, 45% screens/behind the line of scrimmage, 15% in between the hashes.
I don't think our coaches are just incompetent. It's a reason Zander's was 2nd on the depth chart. So many variables brought us to where we are today and hopefully we can see a sustained level of progress in the second half of the season.
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 9:40 am
Posted on 10/16/16 at 9:53 am to JesusQuintana
I think M Zanders earned himself some playing time in the 4th quarter.
The coaches could set some boundaries for Drew to know when Marvin will be sent in. Things like, too many 3 and outs, or stalled drives, or interceptions and we are going to see what Marvin can do for a few possessions. Both of them are sophomores and they don't want to alienate them from the program like Texas A&M did when they had a couple star QBs transfer at the end of the year. Or was it 3?
I chalk all this up to learning experience for Drew Lock. Even some of the celebrated QBs we had at Mizzou would have games that for 2 or 3 quarters the offense went to sleep. Especially when they were sophomores. And those were B12 defenses rather than elites like LSU and Florida.
The coaches could set some boundaries for Drew to know when Marvin will be sent in. Things like, too many 3 and outs, or stalled drives, or interceptions and we are going to see what Marvin can do for a few possessions. Both of them are sophomores and they don't want to alienate them from the program like Texas A&M did when they had a couple star QBs transfer at the end of the year. Or was it 3?
I chalk all this up to learning experience for Drew Lock. Even some of the celebrated QBs we had at Mizzou would have games that for 2 or 3 quarters the offense went to sleep. Especially when they were sophomores. And those were B12 defenses rather than elites like LSU and Florida.
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 9:56 am
Posted on 10/16/16 at 9:55 am to the808bass
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Are we recruiting/developing WRs?
Had a similar discussion with my boys on development.
I think past coaching deficiencies are impacting the product we see currently. In 2013 the combination of the best collective talent we have had and an easier conference slate inflated our perception of what Missouri truly is. In 2014 we started to see the foundation start to shake, but getting to Atlanta to be crushed by Bama gave us another glimmer of hope. And then the foundation just falls in 2015. I think that falls on coaching and development on the field.
Two questions I have:
1. If Zeke chose Mizzou, would he still be a first round draft pick leading the NFL in rushing?
2. Harbaugh tried his hardest to get Lock when he got the job, our boy stuck with us. Is Lock a different QB under the tutelage of Michigan's coaching staff?
I believe the answer to both of those questions are not flattering to Mizzou and what we do in Columbia.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 10:54 am to countrygrammar
Great post. I was thinking about some of the same things this week.
- Does Lock regret not going to Michigan? He got thrown to the wolves here and is drowning.
- As much as I can't stand how Ezekiel Elliott and his father have gravy trained for Ohio State, you can't argue that it was a great move for him.
- Jeff Thomas would be out of his mind to come to Missouri over Alabama. The worst that could happen there is he has to share playing time on his way to SEC and National Championships. Here he could potentially never see a winning season. But at least Odom has his EStL quarterback locked up, so we've got that going for us.
This team needs to use the last six weeks to find an identity to recruit to. Right now they've got nothing.
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/16/16 at 5:55 pm to Mizz-SEC
Probably doesn't mean much of anything, but for the first time all year Lock is not available to the media this week.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 5:59 pm to JesusQuintana
Its interesting though.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 7:49 pm to surgicalvenom
Zanders probably isn't the answer, but unless we see him run the entire offensive scheme we don't know. No way he has Locks arm, but he can move.
I wonder what's up with Lock. His reads frequently suck. He misses guys that don't have anyone near them while forcing it into tight coverage. And sometimes he just throws straight to other team. Could be coaching, could be him, could be both. Need more info.
but if he could stop turning the ball over we beat georgia easily and are leading FL well into the third quarter.
I wonder what's up with Lock. His reads frequently suck. He misses guys that don't have anyone near them while forcing it into tight coverage. And sometimes he just throws straight to other team. Could be coaching, could be him, could be both. Need more info.
but if he could stop turning the ball over we beat georgia easily and are leading FL well into the third quarter.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:53 am to JesusQuintana
I agree. I'm a huge DL fan, but sometimes sitting a guy can help him focus better. He can either get that Drew McMopey look off his face and man up or he pouts and maybe you never had the right guy to begin with. Zanders looked serious out there, and besides, he threw the one, nice pass to the middle of the field...and the WR actually caught it. Time to let Zanders start. You can always pull him if things go south.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:18 am to DenverMUTiger
I'm not sure if starting MZ is the answer but I would have liked to see him take over midway thru the 3rd quarter. Our O was going nowhere. I agree with others saying we need him to pass more to keep the opposing D more honest.
Why aren't we running more play action & bootlegs with DL?
Why aren't we running more play action & bootlegs with DL?
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