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re: What's your confidence level in BO
Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:47 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 5/7/17 at 6:47 pm to JesusQuintana
With all due respect JQ, if you really believe that it is all the fans and facilities fault and that MU just cannot or wont ever be able to hire a coach who can recruit AND coach his way out of a paper bag well then it appears your expectations and demands are so low we really should just give up FB or at least jump to the MAC where we might be able to compete.
P.S. Almost forgot this one
I would say BO is more like SPAM than a Steak to Sizzle.
If it looks like Spam and smells like Spam I have enough food experience to know I would not want to taste it just to be sure. I am sure recruits in the back of their minds to some degree ask themselves if they want to taste/order or otherwise obligate themselve to eating Spam for 3 to 4 years.
P.S. Almost forgot this one
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He's more steak than sizzle.
I would say BO is more like SPAM than a Steak to Sizzle.
If it looks like Spam and smells like Spam I have enough food experience to know I would not want to taste it just to be sure. I am sure recruits in the back of their minds to some degree ask themselves if they want to taste/order or otherwise obligate themselve to eating Spam for 3 to 4 years.
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 7:02 pm
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:15 pm to JesusQuintana
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I'm fairly certain we can go find a WR just as good or better than Brown elsewhere.
You're missing the point if you think it's just about a single WR.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:20 pm to muinsandiegp
I already said I don't think BO is a very good recruiter. Could we hire someone that could do better. Probably marginally so, yes. Or we could also cheat our asses off and end up like Ole Miss.
We are somewhere in the 30-40 range as far as football programs go, and that's where we generally recruit. It's not rocket surgery. I don't think some of you have even a remedial grasp of just how uneven the playing field is in college football. It's criminal.
What's the pitch to overcome, more than sporadically....shitty fans, shitty facilities, mediocre history and below average in state talent base? I'd sure love to hear it. I'm sure the coaches would to.
I mean, you can either cry about every recruit we lose or you can buckle in for the next few years and try to give the current staff the support needed. One is more conducive to success, the other heartburn. Sadly, I know which one you are going to pick.
I've been through this before. I remember the constant calls for Pinkel's head. He was good enough to overcome it. BO may or may not be. If he isn't, we try again. That's how this works.
Unfortunately, the fricking protest pretty much crumbled the foundation that Pinkel's successor should have been left with. It is what it is. BO has A LOT of work to do.
We are somewhere in the 30-40 range as far as football programs go, and that's where we generally recruit. It's not rocket surgery. I don't think some of you have even a remedial grasp of just how uneven the playing field is in college football. It's criminal.
What's the pitch to overcome, more than sporadically....shitty fans, shitty facilities, mediocre history and below average in state talent base? I'd sure love to hear it. I'm sure the coaches would to.
I mean, you can either cry about every recruit we lose or you can buckle in for the next few years and try to give the current staff the support needed. One is more conducive to success, the other heartburn. Sadly, I know which one you are going to pick.
I've been through this before. I remember the constant calls for Pinkel's head. He was good enough to overcome it. BO may or may not be. If he isn't, we try again. That's how this works.
Unfortunately, the fricking protest pretty much crumbled the foundation that Pinkel's successor should have been left with. It is what it is. BO has A LOT of work to do.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:25 pm to JesusQuintana
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My goodness you guys are melting over a 3 WR?
Not melting over a WR. Just concerned about last year's lousy record and obvious confusion during the season.
Win 6 this year, and he'll get a pass. Still wondering if 4-5 wins will keep him.
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:28 pm to reedus23
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I'm fairly certain we can go find a WR just as good or better than Brown elsewhere.
You're missing the point if you think it's just about a single WR.
Well, this thread was started about a single WR so....
But no...I'm right on point. I just wish most others had a level view of what we are and what it takes to be successful here. I mean you all saw the formula. It wasn't that long ago. Did you not believe it when you saw it? Have you forgotten already? I seriously don't get it.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:37 pm to JesusQuintana
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What's the pitch to overcome, more than sporadically....shitty fans, shitty facilities, mediocre history and below average in state talent base? I'd sure love to hear
I gave you your answer to this already. If you are correct we should either abandon FB or go to the MAC or perhaps even a worse conference like the Mountain West. I think BO and the program could excel there and perhaps you would no longer have to defend mediocrity or worse as an acceptable standard. Just think how easy that would mske everything.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 7:45 pm to muinsandiegp
Fans expectations or demands? LOL. That means less than shite.
What does make an impact is money and asses in seats. Two areas we are woeful.
But go get em coach....
What does make an impact is money and asses in seats. Two areas we are woeful.
But go get em coach....
Posted on 5/7/17 at 8:26 pm to JesusQuintana
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Fans expectations or demands? LOL. That means less than shite.
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OMG your response says it all.
[quote]What does make an impact is money and asses in seats. Two areas we are woeful.
Money talks. If you are a booster your money means shite, oh unless it does. In any case fork it over and shut your mouth. You are supposed to do that without question or expect even a small additional satisfaction beyond the mere joy of giving. While we are at it F the fans, it is your fault that you feel less than enthused after attending a game and not realistically hopeful for the next game or season, so you all can STFU also. You will like what you are given and don't dare ask for dessert because you did not eat all your meat byproduct(SPAM)
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Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:27 pm to JesusQuintana
Keep shining them shoes.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:34 pm to the808bass
I just prefer not to cry and moan constantly.
Do you though.
BO is going to be here a few more years. If we don't see it in that period. I'll be just as ready to move on as anyone else. I'm not going to melt after a tough yr 1 (very common) and missing out on Cameron Brown (fairly irrelevant), though.
Do you though.
BO is going to be here a few more years. If we don't see it in that period. I'll be just as ready to move on as anyone else. I'm not going to melt after a tough yr 1 (very common) and missing out on Cameron Brown (fairly irrelevant), though.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:43 pm to JesusQuintana
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But no...I'm right on point. I just wish most others had a level view of what we are and what it takes to be successful here. I mean you all saw the formula. It wasn't that long ago. Did you not believe it when you saw it? Have you forgotten already? I seriously don't get it.
You are correct. If you want to continue to hope for a divisional, not conference, title once every few years, that formula will work. I agree, that is what Mizzou has been under GP. I do believe it can be better. Not blue blood better but better.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 9:56 pm to JesusQuintana
Brown's old teammate Bryant is recruiting him hard and there would be less in front of him at the slot in Lincoln.
I think it's still early anyway. Win and they will come.
I think it's still early anyway. Win and they will come.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:12 pm to reedus23
Ok, how?
Look, I know fans don't like to hear this stuff but realistically looking at it HOW can it be better? Other than just "anything can happen". Specifics. What makes you think a conference title in the SEC is a realistic standard of achievement for our program?
7 teams in our league clearly have massive, core advantages over us. Bama, Auburn, LSU, UT, UGA, Florida and aTm. Shockingly, 6 of those are the only ones to ever win the SEC in the divisional era. They have, and will dominate this league. Get used to it.
South Carolina and Arkansas have slightly more advantageous situations.
Ole Miss pretty similar. Kentucky slightly behind, maybe.
We have a better situation than Miss St and Vandy. That's it.
Success here is going to look like...consistent Bowl team. Occasionally have the stars align and being competitive for the league. The last two years have been bad. We can and should be better than that. Absolutely.
I'd love a national title or an SEC title, of course. I just like to keep my feet on the ground when discussing how bad a coach sucks or firing him after 1 year. Or getting bent out of shape about 1 recruit. An infinitely replaceable one at that.
Look, I know fans don't like to hear this stuff but realistically looking at it HOW can it be better? Other than just "anything can happen". Specifics. What makes you think a conference title in the SEC is a realistic standard of achievement for our program?
7 teams in our league clearly have massive, core advantages over us. Bama, Auburn, LSU, UT, UGA, Florida and aTm. Shockingly, 6 of those are the only ones to ever win the SEC in the divisional era. They have, and will dominate this league. Get used to it.
South Carolina and Arkansas have slightly more advantageous situations.
Ole Miss pretty similar. Kentucky slightly behind, maybe.
We have a better situation than Miss St and Vandy. That's it.
Success here is going to look like...consistent Bowl team. Occasionally have the stars align and being competitive for the league. The last two years have been bad. We can and should be better than that. Absolutely.
I'd love a national title or an SEC title, of course. I just like to keep my feet on the ground when discussing how bad a coach sucks or firing him after 1 year. Or getting bent out of shape about 1 recruit. An infinitely replaceable one at that.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:09 pm to JesusQuintana
Well JQ I am not going to quote my responses again or cut and paste your quotes to once again make my point.
I will say you have an endless list of "them" but whether they be called rationalizations or reasons all they really are is a convenient bag of EXCUSES. If you are unable to recognize this, well then perhaps it would be best for us to leave the SEC so that you and your ilk are no longer under the pressure to explain why you like and accept SPAM and that others should realize that SPAM is the best food they will get or should expect to receive since MU is evidently akin to some broken down diner. A diner where we are lucky to have BO (oops I meant Flo) serve us up the best vittles we really deserve. MU fans should be thankful the Spam is not served off the greasy floor.
Again if you truly believe that the best MU can do is to produce "diner food" due to a faulty stove poor aviance/decor bringing down motivation, poor to average hiring budget and ungrateful customers, well then maybe we should move out of the high rent district and set up shop where Spam is considered a delicacy. This will help with that whole messy expectations thing and perhaps BO (I mean Flo) may even get a tip now and then.
I will say you have an endless list of "them" but whether they be called rationalizations or reasons all they really are is a convenient bag of EXCUSES. If you are unable to recognize this, well then perhaps it would be best for us to leave the SEC so that you and your ilk are no longer under the pressure to explain why you like and accept SPAM and that others should realize that SPAM is the best food they will get or should expect to receive since MU is evidently akin to some broken down diner. A diner where we are lucky to have BO (oops I meant Flo) serve us up the best vittles we really deserve. MU fans should be thankful the Spam is not served off the greasy floor.
Again if you truly believe that the best MU can do is to produce "diner food" due to a faulty stove poor aviance/decor bringing down motivation, poor to average hiring budget and ungrateful customers, well then maybe we should move out of the high rent district and set up shop where Spam is considered a delicacy. This will help with that whole messy expectations thing and perhaps BO (I mean Flo) may even get a tip now and then.
This post was edited on 5/7/17 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:24 pm to muinsandiegp
It simple.
BO didn't show much in year one....... Year 2 he needs to start to show he can coach, and yes even recruit.
As fans it's not asking too much for a competitive team, with a competent coach.
Year 2 is up.. Excuses won't work this year and beyond.
Oh Did I really read a few replies up a "meh" regarding locking down local talent??????? What Fking laughable BS. That's what a MTSU or Cinci would say
BO didn't show much in year one....... Year 2 he needs to start to show he can coach, and yes even recruit.
As fans it's not asking too much for a competitive team, with a competent coach.
Year 2 is up.. Excuses won't work this year and beyond.
Oh Did I really read a few replies up a "meh" regarding locking down local talent??????? What Fking laughable BS. That's what a MTSU or Cinci would say
Posted on 5/7/17 at 11:49 pm to SemperFi
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Oh Did I really read a few replies up a "meh" regarding locking down local talent??????? What Fking laughable BS. That's what a MTSU or Cinci would say
Huh Rah!
I have not been able to ascertain with certainty that the apathetic acceptance of failure is based on the persons' reason for the belief or lack of faith or if it comes from a self-defense mechanism meant to protect oneself from what one knows or reasonably expects to occur which would disappoint if the expectation was set above minimum
Posted on 5/8/17 at 4:50 am to JesusQuintana
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I'm right on point. I just wish most others had a level view of what we are and what it takes to be successful here. I mean you all saw the formula. It wasn't that long ago. Did you not believe it when you saw it? Have you forgotten already? I seriously don't get it.
Agreed. Until you're a blueblood or a hot brand you're rarely going to beat out a blueblood. We just saw it play out with Knox and to a lesser degree with this WR.
So if success can be had here in an operating style other than Pinkel's what is it? I'd like to hear it.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 8:55 am to JAGsports
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Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:16 am to JAGsports
I hope he is at Mizzou for many successful years that include a conference championship. That being said, if he has five wins or less this year...it is maybe best for AD Sterk to dazzle me with a solid coaching hire. One that gives Mizzou a program and recruiting bounce like we have never seen.
"In Sterk we trust."
Now please continue your melt.
"In Sterk we trust."
Now please continue your melt.
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:55 am to TigerTalker16
Well. It was never very high from the start when he tried to put his name on the program that had become D-Line Zou under GP.
His whiffs in the recruiting game aren't helping either. He could very well be Kin Anderson 2.0 which would be a disaster if he's allowed to torch the program that long.
If I don't see marked improvement as a coach this year, I'll be done with him even if Sterk isn't quite. I don't imagine Sterk's leash will be all that long once the last of GP's recruits are gone.
His whiffs in the recruiting game aren't helping either. He could very well be Kin Anderson 2.0 which would be a disaster if he's allowed to torch the program that long.
If I don't see marked improvement as a coach this year, I'll be done with him even if Sterk isn't quite. I don't imagine Sterk's leash will be all that long once the last of GP's recruits are gone.
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