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re: Sterk's decision
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:05 pm to Wtodd
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:05 pm to Wtodd
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quote: I want Barry Odom back next year. He is the person to rebuild this program.
I'm in your court right now.
I'm in your court for now........ By my interpretation that meant you saw reason to believe he's the right man. Hence my question.
I know the few supporters he has left, just can't seem to answer the question.
Which was...... What has he shown to this point that would indicate he is the right man for the job?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:11 pm to SemperFi
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What has he shown to this point that would indicate he is the right man for the job?
Nothing yet. He has 7 games to at to show Sterk that he is the man. 4-3 is probably the minimum for there to be a real discussion for him staying.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 6:25 pm to wubilli
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What has he shown to this point that would indicate he is the right man for the job?
Nothing yet.
Agreed
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4-3 is probably the minimum for there to be a real discussion for him staying.
No disagreement here.
Wanna guess how many SEC coaching vacancies they"ll be this year?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:17 pm to SemperFi
At least 3. My guess is Ole Miss, Arkansas, Tennessee. Mizzou is likely so that’s 4, then A&M is also a possibility.
Mullen also might be hired away from MSU, that’s almost half the league.
Mullen also might be hired away from MSU, that’s almost half the league.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:21 pm to wubilli
I still think he gets a 3rd year even if we go 1-11. The only thing that will change that notion is if BO does something wrong according to NCAA or school policy. I don't think either will happen. Just my thought.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 6:17 am to SemperFi
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I'm in your court for now........ By my interpretation that meant you saw reason to believe he's the right man. Hence my question.
Fair enough so I'll give 2 answers:
I want BO back bc it's the best possible scenario IF shite improves a lot the rest of the season
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He is the person to rebuild this program.
This is TBD
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What has he shown to this point that would indicate he is the right man for the job?
My earlier statement stands; the naysayers have the evidence for him not to come back bc BO is only as good as his record.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:14 am to Bluegrassboy
The only way I see BO back with 4 or fewer wins is if every loss is similar to Kentucky. In that Mizzou has a chance to win in the last 2 minutes of every game.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 9:42 am to Bluegrassboy
You've lost your mind. If this team only wins 1 game this year--an embarrassing "win" against Missouri State, he has to go. That season would have us firmly at the very bottom of teams in all of the Power 5. No way he survives that.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 12:48 pm to El Segundo Guy
It really doesn't matter what you think or what you want. The administration decides that, and Sterk is not a "pistols a blazing" kind of guy. He realizes that very few coaches can turn around a program in 2 years, especially one that has never been a HC before.
Now, he will need to show improvement next year, or year 4 may not happen! But if the team wins 5-6 games next year, he'll be back for #4 too.
Now, he will need to show improvement next year, or year 4 may not happen! But if the team wins 5-6 games next year, he'll be back for #4 too.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 1:01 pm to Bluegrassboy
You really don't know what you're talking about do you?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 5:23 pm to Bluegrassboy
Bluegrass boy: While I admire your empathy for Barry, I don't agree with your comment, "He (Sterk) realizes that very few coaches can turn around a program in 2 years..."
This whole idea that Barry is in a rebuilding/turnaround position is suspect, IMO. Yes, he took over a 5-win program, and may not have inherited NFL talent, but that is hardly worthy of needing a "turnaround" (unless you're Alabama)...just a little tweaking to get to .500 should have been do-able. Instead, he dropped to 4 wins.
And Barry took over a program that was one season removed from a 11-3 record. Two seasons removed from 12-2, and Mizzou had gone to a bowl 10 of the previous 12 seasons. That's not what anyone would call a program "down in the dumps", and requiring a rebuild.
Then we have this year. Horrible play, for the most part. Clearly another regression.
While it's possible for us to come back strong from here on out, we also may continue our ineptitude. If so, BO should be let go. There has been (to this point) NO improvement shown...and a little improvement was really all that's been asked of him.
This whole idea that Barry is in a rebuilding/turnaround position is suspect, IMO. Yes, he took over a 5-win program, and may not have inherited NFL talent, but that is hardly worthy of needing a "turnaround" (unless you're Alabama)...just a little tweaking to get to .500 should have been do-able. Instead, he dropped to 4 wins.
And Barry took over a program that was one season removed from a 11-3 record. Two seasons removed from 12-2, and Mizzou had gone to a bowl 10 of the previous 12 seasons. That's not what anyone would call a program "down in the dumps", and requiring a rebuild.
Then we have this year. Horrible play, for the most part. Clearly another regression.
While it's possible for us to come back strong from here on out, we also may continue our ineptitude. If so, BO should be let go. There has been (to this point) NO improvement shown...and a little improvement was really all that's been asked of him.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 5:42 pm to Literalist
I think both are wrong.
Yes Mizzou did have 2 runs to the SEC title game, but the players responsible for that run are gone. Mizzou didn’t carry that success to recruiting. The hit rate on the recruiting classes after that has been very poor.
BO can and should do better, but this was always a 6-7 win team based on talent in my opinion.
Yes Mizzou did have 2 runs to the SEC title game, but the players responsible for that run are gone. Mizzou didn’t carry that success to recruiting. The hit rate on the recruiting classes after that has been very poor.
BO can and should do better, but this was always a 6-7 win team based on talent in my opinion.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 7:00 pm to Literalist
It was most definitely a rebuild. I don't understand how people can argue anything to the contrary. BO did not take over the GP team that was humming.
He took over a 5-7 team. That 5-7 team had to kick off its starting QB, and was mired in the biggest FB controversy in school history. The offense was absolute hot garbage on that team in case anyone forgot. The defense lost two all Americans before the season.
That's a rebuild.
You can argue whether or not BO is the guy to do it, but any argument that it wasn't a rebuild just isn't factual.
He took over a 5-7 team. That 5-7 team had to kick off its starting QB, and was mired in the biggest FB controversy in school history. The offense was absolute hot garbage on that team in case anyone forgot. The defense lost two all Americans before the season.
That's a rebuild.
You can argue whether or not BO is the guy to do it, but any argument that it wasn't a rebuild just isn't factual.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:02 pm to Athos
I guess we'll see at the end of the year if I know anything, or you are the stupid one! Who knows.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:17 pm to wubilli
I agree with that. Missouri is not Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, etc....we don't reload like those teams do, because we can't capitalize on good seasons with a boat load of 5* recruits. We are fortunate to get a class, or maybe even 2 in a row, and we're competitive, and challenge for the east championship. That doesn't mean, and essentially never does, follow with 10 years of highly successful teams. Go back through Pinkles records. Sure, he had some decent teams only because he could make chicken salad out of chicken shite (2* recruits) very few coaches can do that. Kirby .Smart is doing a nice job, but of course it's easy when he has tons of 4&5* recruits to rebuild with.
Missouri should be a program that gets to 6-6 or 7-5, goes to a bowl most years, and occasionally we'll catch lightning in a bottle and compete for the east championship.
Thus, I say if we don't win another game, BO will be back next year. It's not empathy, just the facts. I don't think even Sterk will fire someone after only 2 years. At this point, nobody knows if BO is or will be a good HC. Only time will tell.
All the so called experts on here that keep calling me this and that, know absolutely nothing at all, and neither do I when it comes to what's going to happen. So, I'm just preparing you all so that you don't get your panties in a wad when he's back next year.
I really think some of you are going to have a coronary.
Missouri should be a program that gets to 6-6 or 7-5, goes to a bowl most years, and occasionally we'll catch lightning in a bottle and compete for the east championship.
Thus, I say if we don't win another game, BO will be back next year. It's not empathy, just the facts. I don't think even Sterk will fire someone after only 2 years. At this point, nobody knows if BO is or will be a good HC. Only time will tell.
All the so called experts on here that keep calling me this and that, know absolutely nothing at all, and neither do I when it comes to what's going to happen. So, I'm just preparing you all so that you don't get your panties in a wad when he's back next year.
I really think some of you are going to have a coronary.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:27 pm to Bluegrassboy
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Thus, I say if we don't win another game, BO will be back next year. It's not empathy, just the facts
You remain clueless.
You continue to confuse facts, with your tinfoil hat BS .
It doesn't take a football expert to know. If BO goes 1-11 with losses to UCON and Idaho......... He's gone.
Like it... Don't like it.. It's reality
I bet you disappear the day BO gets the boot anyway.
This post was edited on 10/13/17 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:56 pm to Bluegrassboy
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I say if we don't win another game, BO will be back next year.
I highly doubt BO is back with 3 or fewer wins. At 4 wins I still think he is fired, unless all the rest of the losses are similar to Kentucky. 5 wins in probably the minimum for BO to come back.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:33 am to JesusQuintana
I see Barry Odom has some of you buying into his rebuild nonsense. The offense needed to be reloaded after 2015 and it was.
But you can't tell me that Barry Odom and Cross have done anything positive on the defense. We're giving up 40+ points a game.
But you can't tell me that Barry Odom and Cross have done anything positive on the defense. We're giving up 40+ points a game.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 7:40 am to TigerCruise
Also I want to point out a decent coach gets at least 6 wins last year, 6 wins isn't a "turnaround" or "rebuild" when you had 5 the year before.
Just face the fact BO destroyed Mizzou's defense.
Just face the fact BO destroyed Mizzou's defense.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 9:26 am to TigerCruise
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Just face the fact BO destroyed Mizzou's defense.
Talent is a bigger issue on defense, TBJ and Hall are the only 2 defenders that look like they could start at other SEC schools. We really need 1 of the younger ends to replace Harold. If that happens, maybe Frazier starts getting to the QB.
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