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re: Sig bet between cards and Royals fans?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:07 am to KCMIZSEC
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:07 am to KCMIZSEC
The cards will probably be 10 games under .500 by the break...
Ok, ok maybe that is a stretch. Cool article by CBS that just came out on the Royals, picking them to win the Central.
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Ok, ok maybe that is a stretch. Cool article by CBS that just came out on the Royals, picking them to win the Central.
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This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 11:25 am
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:23 am to KCMIZSEC
Add me to the birds
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:27 am to ZouDerrty
10 games under........? It's a little early for April fools jokes. 
Posted on 3/27/14 at 11:42 am to ZouDerrty
Add me to the cards
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:28 pm to KCMIZSEC
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I was thinking in case we have new users sign up for the Mizzou board who may want in on the action.
I got no problem with whoever jumping in whenever. Just those that jumped in early have more street cred with me is all.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:29 pm to MIZ_STL
Cards fans stepping up to the plate. 
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:12 pm to reedus23
Breakdown of infield players.
Catcher
Perez: .292 with 13 HR's and 79 RBI's last year. Solid, young player.
Molina: .319 with 12 HR's and 80 RBI's last year. 4 time all star, 6 time gold glove, silver slugger.
Advantage: Cardinals
First Base
Hosmer: Last year hit .302. 1 HR every 36.65 AB's and an RBI every 7.89 AB's.
Adams: Last year hit .284. 1 HR every 17.11 AB's an RBI every 5.80 AB's.
Advantage: Cardinals
Second Base
Infante: Career journeyman with a .279 career average.
Wong: Rookie who hit .391 this spring.
Advantage: Royals (maybe)
Third Base
Moustakas: Last year hit .233 with 12 HR's and 42 RBI's.
Carpenter: Last year hit .318 with 11 HR's and 78 RBI's.
Advantage: Cardinals
Shortstop
Escobar: Hit .234 last year with 4 HR's, 52 RBI's and 57 runs scored.
Peralta: Hit .303 last year with 11 HR's, 55 RBI's and 50 runs scored.
Advantage: Cardinals
RECAP
Royals have a solid young catcher that might favorably match up against most catchers, but not one of the top catchers of all time. Didn't even touch on handling pitchers. Royals hit just over .230 on the left side of the infield while the Cards hit over .300. Not even close there. The right side is closer, much of it depending on how Wong plays as a rookie and how Infante comes back from injury.
Catcher
Perez: .292 with 13 HR's and 79 RBI's last year. Solid, young player.
Molina: .319 with 12 HR's and 80 RBI's last year. 4 time all star, 6 time gold glove, silver slugger.
Advantage: Cardinals
First Base
Hosmer: Last year hit .302. 1 HR every 36.65 AB's and an RBI every 7.89 AB's.
Adams: Last year hit .284. 1 HR every 17.11 AB's an RBI every 5.80 AB's.
Advantage: Cardinals
Second Base
Infante: Career journeyman with a .279 career average.
Wong: Rookie who hit .391 this spring.
Advantage: Royals (maybe)
Third Base
Moustakas: Last year hit .233 with 12 HR's and 42 RBI's.
Carpenter: Last year hit .318 with 11 HR's and 78 RBI's.
Advantage: Cardinals
Shortstop
Escobar: Hit .234 last year with 4 HR's, 52 RBI's and 57 runs scored.
Peralta: Hit .303 last year with 11 HR's, 55 RBI's and 50 runs scored.
Advantage: Cardinals
RECAP
Royals have a solid young catcher that might favorably match up against most catchers, but not one of the top catchers of all time. Didn't even touch on handling pitchers. Royals hit just over .230 on the left side of the infield while the Cards hit over .300. Not even close there. The right side is closer, much of it depending on how Wong plays as a rookie and how Infante comes back from injury.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:17 pm to reedus23
God, the sig pic that I create will be incredibly epic! The end of the regular season can't arrive quick enough.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:24 pm to reedus23
Do I even bother with the outfield?
Left Field
Gordon: Career .269 hitter with 20 HR's and 81 RBI's last year.
Holliday: Career .311 hitter with 22 HR's and 94 RBI's last year.
Advantage: Cardinals
Center Field
Cain: Hit .251 last year.
Bourjos: Hit .274 last year.
Advantage: Push
Right Field
Aoki: Hit .286 and scored 80 runs last year.
Craig: Hit .315 and scored 71 runs along with 13 HR's and 97 RBI's.
Advantage: Cardinals
RECAP
Not much production for either team in CF. Cardinals are vastly superior at either corner in the outfield.
Left Field
Gordon: Career .269 hitter with 20 HR's and 81 RBI's last year.
Holliday: Career .311 hitter with 22 HR's and 94 RBI's last year.
Advantage: Cardinals
Center Field
Cain: Hit .251 last year.
Bourjos: Hit .274 last year.
Advantage: Push
Right Field
Aoki: Hit .286 and scored 80 runs last year.
Craig: Hit .315 and scored 71 runs along with 13 HR's and 97 RBI's.
Advantage: Cardinals
RECAP
Not much production for either team in CF. Cardinals are vastly superior at either corner in the outfield.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:30 pm to reedus23
Bullpens? Not breaking it down because I don't think it needs to be broken down. Suffice it to say:
Maness/Choate/Siegrist/Martinez/Rosenthal > Coleman/Bueno/Herrera/Davis/Collins/Crow/Holland
Advantage: Cardinals
Benches?
Descalsio/Ellis/Kozma/Jay/Robinson > Valencio/Ciriaco/Butler/Maxwell/Dyson
Advantage: Cardinals
Maness/Choate/Siegrist/Martinez/Rosenthal > Coleman/Bueno/Herrera/Davis/Collins/Crow/Holland
Advantage: Cardinals
Benches?
Descalsio/Ellis/Kozma/Jay/Robinson > Valencio/Ciriaco/Butler/Maxwell/Dyson
Advantage: Cardinals
Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:31 pm to reedus23
Nikki...tell me where I'm wrong.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:37 pm to reedus23
I have to point out this is bit of a sucker bet. Not only are the Cards odds 12 games better, but you are going to have to wear the sig during college football on the rant when SC and Arky are trolling you.
But I will support from afar
But I will support from afar
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:43 pm to reedus23
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Unless I'm looking at the numbers cross-eyed, the Royals have 3 pitchers with career losing records. The other two....barely above .500.
Man you can't tell anything by pitcher's win-loss record. That's a useless stat. I think when Greinke won the Cy Young he only had somewhere around 15 wins. ERA, WHIP, K/BB are all more valuable pitching stats.
You are right that our rotation is a little suspect at the moment. I'm hoping some of our young arms step up big time this year. If Chen is still in the rotation after the ASB, we might be pretty screwed. I could see them going out and getting a pitcher around the ASB if some of our young arms don't come through. What the Royals have going for them is they play in a weaker division than the Cards.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:11 pm to reedus23
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First Base
Hosmer: Last year hit .302. 1 HR every 36.65 AB's and an RBI every 7.89 AB's.
Adams: Last year hit .284. 1 HR every 17.11 AB's an RBI every 5.80 AB's.
Advantage: Cardinals
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:25 pm to reedus23
Your offensive stats are cute.
The Royals staff was first in ERA last year in the American League (3.45)
The Royals defense is the best in baseball. Salvador Perez, Eric Hosmer and Alex Gordon were Gold Glove winners. Alcides Escobar and Lorenzo Cain were Gold Glove finalists.
We only got better with our offseason moves my friend...
The Royals staff was first in ERA last year in the American League (3.45)
The Royals defense is the best in baseball. Salvador Perez, Eric Hosmer and Alex Gordon were Gold Glove winners. Alcides Escobar and Lorenzo Cain were Gold Glove finalists.
We only got better with our offseason moves my friend...
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:00 pm to KCMIZSEC
Team Cardinals just don't get on much
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:32 pm to reedus23
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Bullpens? Not breaking it down because I don't think it needs to be broken down. Suffice it to say: Maness/Choate/Siegrist/Martinez/Rosenthal > Coleman/Bueno/Herrera/Davis/Collins/Crow/Holland Advantage: Royals
Let me break it down so you can understand what you're saying is completely irrational.
Closers
All star Greg Holland
1.21ERA 0.87 WHIP 18BB's103SO's 47 SVS 3.1 WAR 3BLSV's
Trevor Rosenthal[/b]
2.66 ERA 1.10 WHIP 20BB's 108 SO's 29 hld's 1.4 WAR
Advantage Royals: Greg Holland was more efficient in his save opportunities, accounted for a higher WAR, and had less chances to save games considering the Cardinals won 15 more games than the Royals last season
Primary Setup man
Louis Coleman
0.61 ERA 0.84WHIP 6BB's 32SO's 4HLD's 1.2 WAR
Carolos Martinez
5.08 ERA 1.41 WHIP 9BB's 24 SO's 1 SV -0.2 WAR
Advantage: Royals Negative war usually means you cost your teams more wins than you were worth to your club
Secondary Setup man:
Wade Davis (stats are reflective of one full season in relief, no starts with Rays)
2.43 ERA 1.09 WHIP 29BB's 87SO's 7 hld's
1.4 WAR
Kevin Siergest
0.45 ERA 0.88WHIP 18BB's 50SO's 11HLD's 2.0 WAR
Advantage: Cardinals although he only has 39 inning pitching in relief so a small sample size.
Secondary Setup man
Aaron Crow:
3.38 ERA 1.48WHIP 22BB's 44SO's 19HLD's 0.3 WAR
Seth Maness:
2.32 ERA 1.26 WHIP 13BB's 35 SO's 15HLD's 1.6 WAR
Advantage: Cardinals
Lefty matchups
Tim Collins
3.54 ERA 1.44 WHIP 24 BB's 54SO's 21 hld's -0.2 WAR
Randy Choate
2.29 ERA 1.05 WHIP 11BB's 28SO's 15 HLD's 1.2 WAR
Advantage: Slightly Cardinals, but a 38 year old relief pitcher will likely not repeat this performance, and Collins appeared to be in more high leverage situation given he has 6 more holds than Choate.
Other Relief pitchers
Bueno:
1.61 ERA 1.07 WHIP 5BB's 13 SO's 5HLD's 0.6 WAR
Advantage Royals: Having an extra arm in the bullpen is always helpful in keeping the bullpen fresh
Overall Advantage: Royals
Best closer, 3 potential setup man to go to at any time during the long season if one is not getting the job done effectively. Two extra arms also adds depth to the bullpen. Don't forget the Royals had the best bullpen in the MLB last season with the lowest ERA
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 4:41 pm to TigerNick23
Someone in this thread needs to get laid.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:34 pm to MIZ_COU
Backup infielder:
Danny Valencia
.304AVG .335OBP 8 HR's 23 RBI's 0.7 WAR
Backup infielder:
Daniel Descalso:
.238 AVG .290 OBP 5HR's 43 RBI's 0.1 WAR
Advantage Royals: No contest, Valencia crushes left handed pitching, and having that bat on the bench late in games will be a key piece for the Royals if Mike Moustakas struggles with lefties again this season. Also his war is much higher than Descalso.
Backup Outfielders w/ Speed:
Jarrod Dyson:
.258 AVG .326 OBP 2HR's 17 RBI's 34 SB's 1.8 WAR
Shane Robinson
.250 AVG .345 OBP 2HR's 16 RBI's 5SB's 1.0 WAR
Advantage Royals: Jarrod Dyson has the ability to steal a base pretty much when ever he wants, and it wouldn't surprise me if Dyson tries to steal home this season. Dyson has a higher WAR than Robinson, and had 12 fewer games than Robinson, but was still able to have higher production in less games.
Slugging Outfielders:
Jon Jay:
.276 AVG .351 OBP 7HR's 67 RBI's 1.5 WAR
Justin Maxwell:
.252 AVG .328 OBP 7HR's 25 RBI's 0.6 WAR
Advantage Cardinals: Slightly because Jay was a starter last season and played in 157 games, Maxwell only played in 75 games so if you were to translate his production over a full season Maxwell might be more productive. Jay seems like a decent player, and I'm not sure why Cardinal fans are wishing for him to get sent to the minors/traded.
Extra Infielder:
Pete Kozma:
.217 1HR 35 RBI's -0.2 WAR
Advantage Royals: we're not carrying an extra infielder this season the only infielder's will be Moustakas, Hosmer, Escobar, Infante, and Valencia. Plus Kozma has a negative WAR, I'm not quite sure how that is beneficial. By not carrying an extra position player it allows the Royals to carry an extra arm in the bullpen.
Backup Catchers: Both Perez and Molina will play at least 150 games this season so this position will only be used probably every Sunday afternoon this season.
Tony Cruz:
.203 AVG .240 OBP 1HR 13RBI's -0.6 WAR
Brett Hayes:
.278 .278OBP 1 HR 2RBI's 0.1 WAR
Advantage Royals: Cruz has a negative WAR provides very little offensive production, and Hayes is a good defensive catcher, and in a full season with the Marlins a few seasons ago he hit .231 5HR's 16 RBI's and had a 0.3 WAR
Overall Advantage Royals:
The Royals have a solid backup infielder who can hit .300 against lefties in a platoon situation, and has the ability to play 2nd, or 3rd base. The Royals have a solid backup catcher who will be watching for most of the season helping with scouting reports. Two backup outfielders with speed and power who both can generate a positive WAR, and be solid bench players who could start if an injury were to occur. The Cardinals have an infielder with a negative WAR, a catcher with a negative WAR, a solid backup outfielder with power in Jay, and a backup outfielder with decent speed who struggles to produce when given opportunities.
Danny Valencia
.304AVG .335OBP 8 HR's 23 RBI's 0.7 WAR
Backup infielder:
Daniel Descalso:
.238 AVG .290 OBP 5HR's 43 RBI's 0.1 WAR
Advantage Royals: No contest, Valencia crushes left handed pitching, and having that bat on the bench late in games will be a key piece for the Royals if Mike Moustakas struggles with lefties again this season. Also his war is much higher than Descalso.
Backup Outfielders w/ Speed:
Jarrod Dyson:
.258 AVG .326 OBP 2HR's 17 RBI's 34 SB's 1.8 WAR
Shane Robinson
.250 AVG .345 OBP 2HR's 16 RBI's 5SB's 1.0 WAR
Advantage Royals: Jarrod Dyson has the ability to steal a base pretty much when ever he wants, and it wouldn't surprise me if Dyson tries to steal home this season. Dyson has a higher WAR than Robinson, and had 12 fewer games than Robinson, but was still able to have higher production in less games.
Slugging Outfielders:
Jon Jay:
.276 AVG .351 OBP 7HR's 67 RBI's 1.5 WAR
Justin Maxwell:
.252 AVG .328 OBP 7HR's 25 RBI's 0.6 WAR
Advantage Cardinals: Slightly because Jay was a starter last season and played in 157 games, Maxwell only played in 75 games so if you were to translate his production over a full season Maxwell might be more productive. Jay seems like a decent player, and I'm not sure why Cardinal fans are wishing for him to get sent to the minors/traded.
Extra Infielder:
Pete Kozma:
.217 1HR 35 RBI's -0.2 WAR
Advantage Royals: we're not carrying an extra infielder this season the only infielder's will be Moustakas, Hosmer, Escobar, Infante, and Valencia. Plus Kozma has a negative WAR, I'm not quite sure how that is beneficial. By not carrying an extra position player it allows the Royals to carry an extra arm in the bullpen.
Backup Catchers: Both Perez and Molina will play at least 150 games this season so this position will only be used probably every Sunday afternoon this season.
Tony Cruz:
.203 AVG .240 OBP 1HR 13RBI's -0.6 WAR
Brett Hayes:
.278 .278OBP 1 HR 2RBI's 0.1 WAR
Advantage Royals: Cruz has a negative WAR provides very little offensive production, and Hayes is a good defensive catcher, and in a full season with the Marlins a few seasons ago he hit .231 5HR's 16 RBI's and had a 0.3 WAR
Overall Advantage Royals:
The Royals have a solid backup infielder who can hit .300 against lefties in a platoon situation, and has the ability to play 2nd, or 3rd base. The Royals have a solid backup catcher who will be watching for most of the season helping with scouting reports. Two backup outfielders with speed and power who both can generate a positive WAR, and be solid bench players who could start if an injury were to occur. The Cardinals have an infielder with a negative WAR, a catcher with a negative WAR, a solid backup outfielder with power in Jay, and a backup outfielder with decent speed who struggles to produce when given opportunities.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 6:06 pm to TigerNick23
Yes indeed...someone needs a little poon.
FYI...not me.
FYI...not me.
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