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re: No shot at playoffs, ranked 16 in latest poll
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:59 pm to reedus23
Posted on 12/2/14 at 9:59 pm to reedus23
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Are you saying if we beat Indiana? If so, and if we beat Bama, absolutely I think that we should be in the playoffs. Our only loss at that point is to a top 20 UGA. I'm not saying that I think MU would be a top 4 team by the eye test but yes, they would have earned it if they were 12-1.
Yeah, the scenario is if we beat Indiana. I could see the point, but the team just isn't that good. I seriously have no idea how we've won as many games as we have.
Maybe I'm just looking at this from my own vantage point having watched almost every minute of every game this year and having my butthole puckered for he vast majority of the time waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I'm not trying to negatiger, but I still don't see how this team has the record it does. However, you're right, a 12-1 SEC champ doesn't get left out no matter how much pucker time was involved.
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Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:02 pm to Mizzeaux
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Is there anyone here that thinks we should be in the playoff picture even without the Indiana loss?
Ummm, yes. 100%. We are a questionable PI call on 4th down from being 100% in control of our destiny.
As it stands, I don't think we are deserving even if we win. Depends on what else happens of course, but it would take likely all of OSU, FSU, TCU, Baylor and Arizona to lose. All the others, Id think we'd jump.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:04 pm to Mizzeaux
No. I agree with you. I said it in a different thread how, in a way, this team has endeared themselves to me because they're not that talented or not that good but they grit and grind and find a way to win, mainly with defense, but nonetheless win.
They don't have that look at all. And one of the reasons why I think GP deserves SEC COTY this year too.
They don't have that look at all. And one of the reasons why I think GP deserves SEC COTY this year too.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:07 pm to JesusQuintana
Gtech and Wisonsin would then win over a top 4 team and I think they'd stay ahead of us. The only reason we'd jump them is, well, SEC. If Arizona loses, obviously Oregon is still in. Only hope is we leap frog both TCU and Baylor which I don't see happening. Besides, that means ISU beats TCU. Not gonna happen.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:17 pm to Mizzou4ever
I'm not saying it's likely, but there is still a chance, albeit a small one. I'm not holding my breath on it. Just follow me for a minute here. This is how Mizzou gets in if we beat Bama:
UCLA, UGA, Ole Miss, Miss St, and Mich St all are watching championship week from the couch. Mizzou will move past all of these teams. That's +5 spots to #11.
Wisconsin is playing a wounded OSU this week. If Wisconsin wins, we jump both teams. +2 spots to #9.
The committee doesn't have a whole lot of respect for FSU. If Ga Tech wins, we jump FSU for sure, probably Ga Tech as well. +2 spots to #7.
KSU and Baylor play. We jump ahead of the loser. If KSU wins, we should jump ahead of both teams. +1-2 spots to #5-6.
TCU plays ISU and will likely win, but a loss would end their run and move us up 1 more spot. You never know when you face Paul Rhodes.
That brings us to Oregon/Arizona. If Oregon wins, we would jump Arizona putting us in the 4-5 range. Things will get interesting if Arizona wins, both teams may make it in ahead of us.
So, what happens with Bama? Would Missouri move ahead of them? It'll be interesting to see how much the committee values a conference championship game winner in that situation.
Honestly, there's a good chance the big games turn out in Mizzou's favor. I think Wisconsin and Ga Tech will win their games and the KSU/Baylor game will be a toss-up with the edge going to Baylor. The bigger question will be what the committee does if Mizzou, KSU, Ga Tech, and Wisconsin all win this weekend. Things will get crazy and you can bet that the SEC will do all the lobbying it can to get Mizzou AND Bama in at 3 and 4. Is this a likely scenario, no. It is scenario that has a very real possibility of happening though.
UCLA, UGA, Ole Miss, Miss St, and Mich St all are watching championship week from the couch. Mizzou will move past all of these teams. That's +5 spots to #11.
Wisconsin is playing a wounded OSU this week. If Wisconsin wins, we jump both teams. +2 spots to #9.
The committee doesn't have a whole lot of respect for FSU. If Ga Tech wins, we jump FSU for sure, probably Ga Tech as well. +2 spots to #7.
KSU and Baylor play. We jump ahead of the loser. If KSU wins, we should jump ahead of both teams. +1-2 spots to #5-6.
TCU plays ISU and will likely win, but a loss would end their run and move us up 1 more spot. You never know when you face Paul Rhodes.
That brings us to Oregon/Arizona. If Oregon wins, we would jump Arizona putting us in the 4-5 range. Things will get interesting if Arizona wins, both teams may make it in ahead of us.
So, what happens with Bama? Would Missouri move ahead of them? It'll be interesting to see how much the committee values a conference championship game winner in that situation.
Honestly, there's a good chance the big games turn out in Mizzou's favor. I think Wisconsin and Ga Tech will win their games and the KSU/Baylor game will be a toss-up with the edge going to Baylor. The bigger question will be what the committee does if Mizzou, KSU, Ga Tech, and Wisconsin all win this weekend. Things will get crazy and you can bet that the SEC will do all the lobbying it can to get Mizzou AND Bama in at 3 and 4. Is this a likely scenario, no. It is scenario that has a very real possibility of happening though.
This post was edited on 12/2/14 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 12/2/14 at 10:26 pm to reedus23
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Gtech and Wisonsin would then win over a top 4 team and I think they'd stay ahead of us.
I don't think so, but you may be right. We'd just be coming off a win over the 1 team.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:00 pm to JesusQuintana
I don't think Mizzou gets in even if they win the SECCG, but I do think, at that point, they will be one of the four best teams in the country. But the committee is judging the four teams with the best resume, not the four best teams at the end of the year (at least that's what it seems like).
I think, in a rebuilding year from most accounts at the beginning of the year, an SECCG appearance is great. A win would be their best season in 55 years, even if they don't make the playoff. I'd be a happy Tiger.
I think, in a rebuilding year from most accounts at the beginning of the year, an SECCG appearance is great. A win would be their best season in 55 years, even if they don't make the playoff. I'd be a happy Tiger.
Posted on 12/2/14 at 11:58 pm to TigerTap5
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I'm not saying it's likely, but there is still a chance, albeit a small one. I'm not holding my breath on it. Just follow me for a minute here. This is how Mizzou gets in if we beat Bama:
UCLA, UGA, Ole Miss, Miss St, and Mich St all are watching championship week from the couch. Mizzou will move past all of these teams. That's +5 spots to #11.
Wisconsin is playing a wounded OSU this week. If Wisconsin wins, we jump both teams. +2 spots to #9.
The committee doesn't have a whole lot of respect for FSU. If Ga Tech wins, we jump FSU for sure, probably Ga Tech as well. +2 spots to #7.
KSU and Baylor play. We jump ahead of the loser. If KSU wins, we should jump ahead of both teams. +1-2 spots to #5-6.
TCU plays ISU and will likely win, but a loss would end their run and move us up 1 more spot. You never know when you face Paul Rhodes.
That brings us to Oregon/Arizona. If Oregon wins, we would jump Arizona putting us in the 4-5 range. Things will get interesting if Arizona wins, both teams may make it in ahead of us.
So, what happens with Bama? Would Missouri move ahead of them? It'll be interesting to see how much the committee values a conference championship game winner in that situation.
Honestly, there's a good chance the big games turn out in Mizzou's favor. I think Wisconsin and Ga Tech will win their games and the KSU/Baylor game will be a toss-up with the edge going to Baylor. The bigger question will be what the committee does if Mizzou, KSU, Ga Tech, and Wisconsin all win this weekend. Things will get crazy and you can bet that the SEC will do all the lobbying it can to get Mizzou AND Bama in at 3 and 4. Is this a likely scenario, no. It is scenario that has a very real possibility of happening though.
I love your optimism but it can't happen. even with the x factors that are unlikely, Bama will still be ranked higher than us even if we win. We are too many spots back. I thought we would have been ranked 12 but 16 is too far.
We have done a great job this year and will be in a decent bowl I think. We have a lot returning next year and the outrage with the one deserving power 5 team not making the playoff means we might expand to 8 next year or the year after. We might get a NC in the next few years. Sadly, not this year. Not with an Indiana loss. no way.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:29 am to surgicalvenom
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So let's take Bama down with us, screw it. SEC fans hate us anyway.
It's probably my optimistic genes kicking in, but I'm still feeling it.
We have an elite defense. Pinkel said it was his best ever on 920 yesterday. The two games Alabama struggled in were Ole Miss and Arkansas and our defense is in their class or better.
And on offense, somebody from PowerMizzou (or similar) was interviewed yesterday and had compiled Maty Mauk's 4th quarter stats for the year and they were outstanding. Great numbers with zero interceptions. Unless he has a huge regressive brain fart, he seems to have quit running backwards and trying to salvage every play by heaving the ball up for grabs.
And when's Lane Kiffin going to show himself the FUBAR he's always been?
If Missouri is with 8 heading into the 4th quarter I really do like our chances.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:57 am to Mizzeaux
I was pretty disappointed in the ranking and the committee in a loud & clear voice said "no Mizzou you ain't invited this year."
I don't think SEC fans hate us, most don't know us too well but they're learning.
I'm going to leave this right here:
Mizzou will win.
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So let's take Bama down with us, screw it. SEC fans hate us anyway
I don't think SEC fans hate us, most don't know us too well but they're learning.
I'm going to leave this right here:
Mizzou will win.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 7:25 am to Wtodd
Whether we deserve it or not the SEC champion alone does absolutely deserve a playoff berth. If it's far and away the best conference which it seems to be, than how could a potential sec champion be left out
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:13 am to Mizzoufan26
I was hopeful that we would win 8 or 9 games when the year was getting ready to start. Having repeated as East champions and sitting on 10 wins is pretty amazing.
But losing to Indiana and getting thumped by UGA does not make Mizzou a top 4 team. I don't care if Mizzou beats Alabama 400-0, Mizzou does not deserve a top 4 spot as it stands today. Playoff teams don't lose at home to Indiana and they don't get destroyed by a team that lost to Florida and South Carolina. I want Mizzou in the playoffs, but there is no way they deserve it. SEC Champs or not. It is about the body of work, and there are several teams who don't have those kind of blemishes.
But losing to Indiana and getting thumped by UGA does not make Mizzou a top 4 team. I don't care if Mizzou beats Alabama 400-0, Mizzou does not deserve a top 4 spot as it stands today. Playoff teams don't lose at home to Indiana and they don't get destroyed by a team that lost to Florida and South Carolina. I want Mizzou in the playoffs, but there is no way they deserve it. SEC Champs or not. It is about the body of work, and there are several teams who don't have those kind of blemishes.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 8:18 am to everytrueson
A win over Bama would be sweet enough, don't care if we miss the top 4.
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ZOUPosted on 12/3/14 at 8:38 am to Bogie00
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A win over Bama would be sweet enough, don't care if we miss the top 4.
Totally agree
Posted on 12/3/14 at 9:22 am to reedus23
I'll lay out our best shot:
Missouri wins SEC CCG
Wisconsin wins B1G CCG
FSU wins ACC CCG
Oregon wins PAC CCG
KSU beats Baylor
That would assume the committee would nix all the teams that lost above: Bama, tOSU, GT, AZ and Baylor
FSU, Oregon, TCU would be in. Next likely is Wisconsin, followed by K-State
Need a lot of pull from the committee. Still would need to beat out Michigan St. and Miss St. too.
Missouri wins SEC CCG
Wisconsin wins B1G CCG
FSU wins ACC CCG
Oregon wins PAC CCG
KSU beats Baylor
That would assume the committee would nix all the teams that lost above: Bama, tOSU, GT, AZ and Baylor
FSU, Oregon, TCU would be in. Next likely is Wisconsin, followed by K-State
Need a lot of pull from the committee. Still would need to beat out Michigan St. and Miss St. too.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:02 am to Mizzeaux
THIS IS FUKKKING RACIST.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 10:55 am to reedus23
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this team has endeared themselves to me because they're not that talented or not that good
It's hard to qualify this, because when we play well and I mean REALLY well, we have a defense that looks VERY talented, and Hunt, Sasser, White, Murph and Hansbrough all seem talented enough to me. It's confounding that we don't have enough talent to just roll an Indy or put up a very good fight vs a UGA though.
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Mizz-SEC
We have an elite defense. Pinkel said it was his best ever on 920 yesterday.
I hope to find that stream archive, wanna hear that, and no, I'm NOT doubting you.
To me an ELITE defense, is a shutdown D that doesn't get scored on hardly at all and gives up very, VERY few first downs, part of the reason we don't do that is scheme related, Pinkel loves his 'play not to lose' - 'cushion D' that gives away yardage, but if we win we win, I guess it doesn't matter, even though those final score margins very well MAY matter in deciding who goes where at the end of the season.
The pursuit from the front 4 may allow you to get away with the less than smothering coverage but that isn't something you can figure will be the case each year, so short of bringing in a number of starcaliber D line recruits, we may well be looking at an anomaly. Even with the former studs like Aldon and SHeldon, keeping up the best D-line in football is no small task.
We need more leetness if we are gonna hang with the big boys.
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And when's Lane Kiffin going to show himself the FUBAR he's always been?
Unfortunately I don't think he's really that bad of a coach, at least as far as running an offense, and regardless, his boss is smart enough to know they have to scheme an offensive plan for our edge pressure, we ain't sneakin up on anybody at this point.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 11:14 am
Posted on 12/3/14 at 11:17 am to Stlox
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Need a lot of pull from the committee.
it just doesn't seem possible...
but here's to you true believers..!
Posted on 12/3/14 at 1:32 pm to Jagd Tiger
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I hope to find that stream archive, wanna hear that, and no, I'm NOT doubting you.
Here you go. It's toward the beginning of the interview. LINK
He wasn't bragging on himself or the defense. He was asked a direct question and said it probably was the best.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 3:03 pm to Mizz-SEC
cool, thanks! yea that's the "Saban's a little underrated" interview they made a big fuss about on the rant..
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