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Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:56 pm to Scooter McCooter
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:56 pm to Scooter McCooter
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I don't give two shites. Im not trying to attack you per the typical message board poster. But I really don't care what anyone else thinks and our fans need to stop as well.
We aren't in the top tier of schools (schools who play for NC)
We aren't in the second tier of schools (teams who win CCG's)
We are a third tier school. It sucks but it is true. Maybe some of our fans need to come back to earth a little bit. Being I just saw the same post on TB. I assume that was you, maybe you can lead the charge to get that garbage off of that board.
Edit: That was indeed you, I overlooked it
Chill out.
While I'm with you in not giving a shite waiting on respect, we don't need a board cop either.
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:12 pm to Mizzeaux
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The entry for Mizzou in the record book this year could have, and probably should have been, worse.
Maybe it's reality setting in, or the realization that this is as good as it gets. UGA could have actually done us a favor, by not crapping down their leg, and going to ATL in our place. We had no business in a game with an elite program and got our face smashed for it. The reality is this is the top end for this version of the Mizzou program, it will take some serious upgrading for that to change.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:15 pm to Scooter McCooter
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I don't give two shites....
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We aren't in the top tier of schools (schools who play for NC)
We aren't in the second tier of schools (teams who win CCG's)
yea I don't think he said otherwise, it's the bias by ESPIN in question, not just against Mizzou, but the state in general and I think the OP may have a valid point here.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:17 pm to Scooter McCooter
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We aren't in the top tier of schools (schools who play for NC) We aren't in the second tier of schools (teams who win CCG's)
I kind of agree with this. We are a team that expects respect because we win Division Titles.
When I look at that list that encompasses top wins from 07 I notice we are the only team to not win a Conference Title in that span.
We have to take respect not necessarily earn it because we are battling more forces than our opponents we are also battling perception.
At the same time we do have to keep stoking that fire in the media because we can not let them continue to shape the narrative of our program. When it comes to context and syntax the way they talk about our program hurts us in recruiting and moving forward for consideration of bigger and better things.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:26 pm to countrygrammar
We probably deserve the respect of a top 30 program. That's probably about where we fall overall. That's not bad either. How many programs are out there?
Having said that, nothing wrong with wanting and pushing for better, but let's not denigrate the successes we have had.
Having said that, nothing wrong with wanting and pushing for better, but let's not denigrate the successes we have had.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:39 pm to reedus23
Negatigers unite!!! Yeesh
Id say current sitting, we are firmly a top 20 program pretty easily. Considering since 07 we have the fifth most wins I'm being pretty conservative.
Id say current sitting, we are firmly a top 20 program pretty easily. Considering since 07 we have the fifth most wins I'm being pretty conservative.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:57 pm to JesusQuintana
We are 35th in all time wins.
We are 100th all time in win % though there's a number of schools with hardly any games played.
We are 25th all time in bowl wins.
We are 82nd in bowl winning % with same caveat.
We are 27th in number of times ranked in final AP.
We are 30th in number of conference championships won.
I think it's safe to say we are a top 30 program overall. That's hardly being a negatiger. If anything, thinking that being a top 30 program is a bad thing is being negative. I happen to think it's a very positive thing.
If we want cherry pick the years, or limit it to just under GP then yeah, we probably bump up. If we want to limit it to the current state of affairs, I guess we're a #14 team.
We are 100th all time in win % though there's a number of schools with hardly any games played.
We are 25th all time in bowl wins.
We are 82nd in bowl winning % with same caveat.
We are 27th in number of times ranked in final AP.
We are 30th in number of conference championships won.
I think it's safe to say we are a top 30 program overall. That's hardly being a negatiger. If anything, thinking that being a top 30 program is a bad thing is being negative. I happen to think it's a very positive thing.
If we want cherry pick the years, or limit it to just under GP then yeah, we probably bump up. If we want to limit it to the current state of affairs, I guess we're a #14 team.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 9:59 pm to reedus23
I wasn't referring to you, and yeah if you are talking all time then I agree. Right around 30.
I was referring to our current standing.
I was referring to our current standing.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:19 pm to Scooter McCooter
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I dont think we wont ever win the East again. But I think winning back-to-back is over.
You are new to the board. It would be nice if you could give some reasons for our 2015 demise.
The 2014 Tigers were second to LAST in all of FBS in returning starters with 8. Only Utah State returned fewer. We were 127th out of 128.
We lost our QB, starting RB, ALL of our wide receivers, Two All-SEC defensive ends, a DT, our MLB who led the team in tackles and our best cover corner/DB. We also lost our All-SEC LT to the NFL plus one other lineman.
The SEC pundits thought we wouldn't be any good. We were picked 4th in the division. How'd that turn out?
In 2015 we lose far fewer starters. We return 13 instead of 8. By the way, Georgia only returns 11 starters, and I'm happy with who they've hired as their new OC.
The coaches have privately made comments about all the talent about to emerge next year that was redshirted this year. Our coaches have not been prone to puffery before.
So how about some analysis to go with those opinions on why we shouldn't challenge for the division again and possibly three-peat?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:28 pm to JesusQuintana
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I wasn't referring to you,
My bad. Assumed it was when you probably just hit reply on the last post. My bad.
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I was referring to our current standing.
Current standing as in say the last decade and I'd agree. Probably a bit hire than 30.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:31 pm to MizzouJim
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We lost our QB, starting RB, ALL of our wide receivers, Two All-SEC defensive ends, a DT, our MLB who led the team in tackles and our best cover corner/DB. We also lost our All-SEC LT to the NFL plus one other lineman.
Also our starting TE and I believe a starting safety. Not sure on the last one.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 10:35 pm to MizzouJim
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So how about some analysis to go with those opinions on why we shouldn't challenge for the division again and possibly three-peat?
Well said IMO. Back to back is difficult. Anytime by anybody. Threepeat that much more difficult. Having said that, I really like our chances. Mizzou should be better. Favorable schedule. UF is in disarray. UGA's has Chubb and that's about it, at least on offense(yes, he's damn good my UGA fans, but it is difficult to win it all when so one dimensional). SC is in disarray. UT seems to have some things going their way, but I don't see them losing only 2 all season. Yeah, there's a good chance at a three-peat IMO.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 11:07 pm to MizzouJim
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analysis
The analysis is we don't recruit highly ranked classes, so surely we are one of the least talented teams in the league. Nevermind the fact we tied Bama for the most all SEC selections. Disregard the number if guys we send to the NFL, especially high picks. It's about stars. Were doing this with smoke and mirrors, east is down, etc.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 8:46 am to JesusQuintana
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Posted by JesusQuintana
Negatigers unite!!! Yeesh
Not trying to be negative in approach just giving what I feel is a different perspective. I want and wish the best for the program but I also recognize its limitations.
I have friends that played on NC teams at Auburn and Alabama, having that opportunity to meet a few boosters and men with a lot of influence in those programs. I also have good friends who played at Missouri and I know it's hard to compare programs like those to ours but I know first hand how things can go down in the world College Football.
Context is difficult when typing something on the Internet I suppose but I'm all in just as much as anyone else. And I believe others are as well although some may see it in a negative way.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 10:53 am to countrygrammar
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When I look at that list that encompasses top wins from 07 I notice we are the only team to not win a Conference Title in that span.
correct, winning is important but winning notable games vs ranked opponents is as important, the people carry on about X number of wins in Y years remind me of some sales people I have worked with, they find a small point that can be blown out of proportion to attempt painting a brighter picture than the reality of the situation. I've been a data analyst consultant for over 2 decades now, and been paid well for presenting a factual analysis rather than the sugar coated, glazed over version that sales people use and fanboys repeat to make themselves feel better.
Separating reality from fanboy fiction when viewing the media will work toward understanding why most of this "preseason list DISrespect" nonsense is exactly that. Nonsense.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:09 am to Jagd Tiger
But 8 years
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:09 am to JesusQuintana
Im not mad at you or policing you. But it seems you cherry pick what you want and leave out stuff that doesn't fit into your opinion.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 11:19 am to Scooter McCooter
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But 8 years
sort of like the wish that "1st round draft picks in X years" was the same or as good as conference trophies, it's a nice thought when you are puffing up to blow out your birthday candles, that's about as close to reality as it gets though.
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:41 pm to Scooter McCooter
What have I left out, and what exactly is my opinion. I'm confused?
Posted on 1/14/15 at 12:46 pm to Jagd Tiger
No, it's actually 100% factual reality. It's only meaningless if you hate the head coach.
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