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re: Chancellor Loftin getting the axe?
Posted on 10/21/15 at 7:41 pm to TigerCruise
Posted on 10/21/15 at 7:41 pm to TigerCruise
Mizzou ended its relationship between the medical school and PP. The social work program still has a relationship.
There's a lot of stuff involved. I'm not sure how much good it does to have a relationship with a group under investigation for selling fetal tissue. Whatever your stance on the issue, it might have been a proactive move until the investigation is complete.
There's a lot of stuff involved. I'm not sure how much good it does to have a relationship with a group under investigation for selling fetal tissue. Whatever your stance on the issue, it might have been a proactive move until the investigation is complete.
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 7:46 pm to Ridgewalker
Cut the shite or it's gone. That's all.
Talk about how Loftin leaving might affect Mizzou all you want. Take the rest of your political commentary to the political board.
Talk about how Loftin leaving might affect Mizzou all you want. Take the rest of your political commentary to the political board.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 7:47 pm to the808bass
Again, my take on this in TLDR form:
Planned parenthood issue = smokescreen/sideshow.
Real issue that the academic types at Mizzou are pissed off at Loftin about = his removal of the medical school dean 11 months after he himself hired the guy, and other instances of perceived "meddling" by Loftin with other schools.
Supposedly a group of deans went to Wolfe within the past week or so and urged him to tell Loftin to GTFO. I don't think those people were doing it because of planned parenthood, but rather for their own job security.
Planned parenthood issue = smokescreen/sideshow.
Real issue that the academic types at Mizzou are pissed off at Loftin about = his removal of the medical school dean 11 months after he himself hired the guy, and other instances of perceived "meddling" by Loftin with other schools.
Supposedly a group of deans went to Wolfe within the past week or so and urged him to tell Loftin to GTFO. I don't think those people were doing it because of planned parenthood, but rather for their own job security.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 7:48 pm to stnkypnky5
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The student body at Mizzou sure as hell would like to see Loftin get the boot. He's a d-bag who's slowly ruining the great traditions and aspects of Mizzou that attract students to come here.
Such as??? Just curious. Seems like I recall something being talked about last year or something but can't recall.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 7:56 pm to stnkypnky5
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The student body at Mizzou sure as hell would like to see Loftin get the boot. He's a d-bag who's slowly ruining the great traditions and aspects of Mizzou that attract students to come here.
Huh?
I think you're thinking of Mike Alden brah. He gone already.
I'm not on campus but I know Loftin has been a big supporter of the Antlers which is a great Mizzou tradition that Alden constantly wanted to take a piss on.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:02 pm to reedus23
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Such as??? Just curious. Seems like I recall something being talked about last year or something but can't recall.
He's made some proposals regarding alcohol and I think it affects the Greeks more. I can't remember anything else specifically.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:03 pm to reedus23
Reedus: I'm new the the site so I don't exactly know how to officially respond to your question like everyone else does. Anyways, he obviously seems like a cool dude because he's short, pudgy and always wears a bow tie. He does great things for athletics and the university. On the other hand, he's doing whatever he can to kill greek life at the university. He took away a few traditions that have been here forever. (Getting the free beer from the school once you graduate and walk through the columns). One of the business school advisors told me he's trying to disallow tailgating throughout the majority of the campus. Basically he's taking away all of the fun from college. Everyone started to turn on him this past summer. He got roasted via twitter and all other types of social media for weeks
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:04 pm to the808bass
Yepp. That's what I recall now that you say that. Something about alcohol and I think maybe even girls in the house after a certain time on certain nights? Dunno. Having a rule and enforcing it are two different things has been my experience. Open containers and all ya know. It's a rule because you have to say the right things but enforcing it is a different story.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:08 pm to stnkypnky5
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stnkypnky5
You're good man. Just be you.
Thanks for the answer too my friend. 1st I had heard of the tailgating issue. Do remember hearing about the greeks being affected.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:08 pm to reedus23
He's doing his job, but he's getting very power hungry
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:34 pm to stnkypnky5
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He's doing his job, but he's getting very power hungry
Was in a fraternity but wasn't a greek, if that's even possible. Literally only played intramurals with them and as a result I still get their alumni mailings and phone calls for money but never went through any initiation. Also old enough to have a freshman girl at Mizzou. Just my disclaimers as I just read an article or blog or whatever posted by someone who is much more into the greek life.
First thing I noticed was that almost all of what we've talked about were actually recommendations from greek alumni themselves. Why would they push for those changes in the first place? Loftin somehow strong arm them?
Seemed to me the goals were worth working towards (addressing alcohol abuse and sexual assaults) and some of those recommendations were fairly reasonable and common sense but some seemed out of left field.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 8:37 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I still talk to a bunch of people who are still actively involved with the school from the research side. From what I have been told this is a political tug-of-war between two factions (like you said) the clinical side and research (but the research side has many facets also) The main issue (ETA: from the faculty, the leadership has its own reasons) is money and how it is divided between departments and how favorites are being played.
The PP issue is a smokeshow to (like you also said) cover the termination of the MS Dean.
As I said earlier, the research side has many problems and the AAU issue while stabilized is far from settled.
Actually a big problem is in fact Missouri S&T. A lot of dollars that most other AAU schools could count on from research is diverted (by political decisions) to Rolla, and it is unfortunate. The ultimate reason that AAU status will be lost is because of Mo S&T unless some serious decision are made of the strategic vision for the State system.
The PP issue is a smokeshow to (like you also said) cover the termination of the MS Dean.
As I said earlier, the research side has many problems and the AAU issue while stabilized is far from settled.
Actually a big problem is in fact Missouri S&T. A lot of dollars that most other AAU schools could count on from research is diverted (by political decisions) to Rolla, and it is unfortunate. The ultimate reason that AAU status will be lost is because of Mo S&T unless some serious decision are made of the strategic vision for the State system.
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:14 pm to SEC. 593
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Actually a big problem is in fact Missouri S&T. A lot of dollars that most other AAU schools could count on from research is diverted (by political decisions) to Rolla,
This sounds made up. Rolla has ~8500 students and has a budget of ~$100M. Mizzou has 35,000 students and a budget of ~$500M.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:50 pm to the808bass
Okay... Every dollar that Rolla receives is a dollar that could/would have gone to Columbia.
ETA: Rolla has a research expenditure around 30% of what Mizzou has (~117M).
How many state college organizations have a school dedicated almost solely for STEM that isn't the flagship? Yes, there are the Boston area schools, California, and the research triangle, but Missouri is not them. We, by splitting off major STEM programs, have shot ourselves in the foot. The result is less research money for Mizzou, which is what was driving the AAU angst.
ETA: Rolla has a research expenditure around 30% of what Mizzou has (~117M).
How many state college organizations have a school dedicated almost solely for STEM that isn't the flagship? Yes, there are the Boston area schools, California, and the research triangle, but Missouri is not them. We, by splitting off major STEM programs, have shot ourselves in the foot. The result is less research money for Mizzou, which is what was driving the AAU angst.
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:42 pm to SEC. 593
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We, by splitting off major STEM programs
well that's an odd way of looking at it.
But this is all far afield of sports.
The winds of funding change. Ashcroft loved him some Truman State. Blunt loved Mo St. The pendulum moves and moves.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 11:27 pm to stnkypnky5
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On the other hand, he's doing whatever he can to kill greek life at the university. He took away a few traditions that have been here forever. (Getting the free beer from the school once you graduate and walk through the columns). One of the business school advisors told me he's trying to disallow tailgating throughout the majority of the campus. Basically he's taking away all of the fun from college. Everyone started to turn on him this past summer.
To be honest this is a nation wide thing that really started in the military and is now filtering it's way into the civilian world.
The last 5 years has seen the elimination of most Navy traditions and anything that involves alcohol or sex has been pretty much banned/frowned upon. As we are the biggest fraternity in the world, it's sad to see a lot of the traditions go away.
It's only going to get worse for universities as congress and politicians start to get involved in the alcohol abuse and sexual assaults that occur on college campuses. I would say in the next 5 years you're going to see a major crackdown on partying on campus and especially in the greek communities where hazing and other questionable activities go on.
America is fed up with drunk sex crazed 21 year olds it would seem.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 11:44 pm to TigerCruise
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America is fed up with drunk sex crazed 21 year olds it would seem.
Unless that drunk sex crazed 21 year old is their intern.
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:57 am to reedus23
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Posted on 10/22/15 at 8:33 am to reedus23
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Maybe you're talking about people in the academia world
Yes. Chancellors can be supportive of athletics, but generally (besides hires), they aren't too involved. Appearances sure, but not many of the day-to-day operations. I think alot of people are scared of another Babs...but I'm pretty sure that was a major exception.
Public appearances are one thing, but I wouldn't call that a "major blow" to Mizzou athletics if he were to get the axe.
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stnkypnky
As a Greek Alumni, this student (assuming) is correct from what I have heard. Single handily dismantling Senior Sendoff is a tragedy. That tradition has been there for years. Getting a beer as you leave back through the Columns on your way to real life.
Some of the other things aren't exactly clear, but what is clear, is that he is no fan of Greek Life. Like it or not, Greek Life is a huge part of of Mizzou Tradition. Heck, they practically make Homecoming on their own. House Decorations, the Parade floats, blood drive...almost all completely Greek.
So on the academic side, he obviously ruffles feathers. On the traditions side, he is no fan of standing traditions.
Lets keep the political stuff to the poli-board....unless it is obviously tied.
This post was edited on 10/22/15 at 8:35 am
Posted on 10/22/15 at 8:38 am to Ridgewalker
The Rush Limbaughs and Rachel Maddows of this world, and their name-calling and insulting rhetoric, have no place on this board. That's for the Poli board. People can be educated with good hearts and intentions and still come down on opposite sides of issues; but those issues are not for this board.
No more of this. Thank you.
No more of this. Thank you.
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