Started By
Message
1
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:09 pm to ZouDerrty
quote:Player - 2013-2014 PPG
what about his game gives you that opinion?
Shamburger - 9.3
JWIII - 5.8
Rosburg - 4.8
Clark - 4.1
Criswell - 3.9
Jones - 2.1
Post - 1.5
Player - 2013-2014 APG
Shamburger - 5.4
Clark - 2.1
JWIII - 0.7
Rosburg - 0.3
Criswell - 0.2
Jones - 0.2
Player - 2013-2014 RPG
JWIII - 6.5
Rosburg - 4.1
Criswell - 3.4
Shamburger - 3.3
Jones - 2.3
Clark - 2.2
Post - 1.7
Player - 2013-2014 SPG
Shamburger - 1.1
Clark - 0.8
Jones - 0.4
JWIII - 0.4
Rosburg - 0.2
Criswell - 0.2
Post - 0.0
Player - 2013-2014 FT%
Criswell - .833
Shamburger - .832
Jones - .773
Clark - .633
Rosburg - .569
JWIII - .565
Post - .300
Player - 2013-2014 3P%
Clark - .368
JWIII - .364
Shamburger - .308
Criswell - .281
Jones - .000
Post - .000
Rosburg - .000
Shamburger 2013-2014 Highlights
Takeaways - Shamburger isn't afraid to drive the lane if the defense is playing him to tight. He drives with a plan and court vision (unlike Clarkson who's plan usually seemed to be "Charge at the big guy down there. Run into him. Heave up a desperation shot and hope for the foul call). Shamburger can drop a three if the defense isn't playing tight enough. The former Rainbow Warrior will take the charge and plays a more aggressive defense than any player currently on Mizzou's roster.
quote:How much does adding a competent PG improve a team? ALOT.
How much does he improve the team?
quote:Yes
Will it translate to wins on the court?
quote:Probably not. For the most part, the Tigers are a young team. They likely won't have the experience, strength, and toughness to get those road wins that are so critical to making the tourney. That was going to be the case whether or not Kim added any transfers.
Will it end in making the tourney?
But, the addition of Shamburger will make the team more watchable. What complaints did I hear most often this season? "The team doesn't play defense." "The team doesn't have a true PG." "The team doesn't get enough assists." "The team doesn't play as a cohesive unit."
Well, I'm pretty sure bringing in a competent PG should go a long way in improving those issues.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:22 pm to MIZ_STL
Any word on the Namon sweepstakes or did he just say he was still considering mizzou to let us down easy? 
Posted on 5/14/14 at 7:59 pm to ZouDerrty
I'm sure it's to let us down easy. Supposedly he's currently visiting Utah.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:11 pm to MIZ_STL
I am sure the stats only mean so much, right? Because otherwise I think we've gone from averaging 27 points per game to about 32 points per game between losing Price but adding Shamburger.
How has he faired against tougher competition? I don't even know what Hawaii plays in...is it the WAC?
How would you judge his talent/ability compared to Clark? And I saw his stats but that's not even half the story. For example, I think Clark is a better talent than a 4.1 points per game and 2.1 assists per game type of player.
That tells me more. Thanks. I hope you're right about the other stuff.
How has he faired against tougher competition? I don't even know what Hawaii plays in...is it the WAC?
How would you judge his talent/ability compared to Clark? And I saw his stats but that's not even half the story. For example, I think Clark is a better talent than a 4.1 points per game and 2.1 assists per game type of player.
quote:
Takeaways - Shamburger isn't afraid to drive the lane if the defense is playing him to tight. He drives with a plan and court vision (unlike Clarkson who's plan usually seemed to be "Charge at the big guy down there. Run into him. Heave up a desperation shot and hope for the foul call). Shamburger can drop a three if the defense isn't playing tight enough. The former Rainbow Warrior will take the charge and plays a more aggressive defense than any player currently on Mizzou's roster.
That tells me more. Thanks. I hope you're right about the other stuff.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:20 pm to reedus23
quote:Shamburger was better than Clark last year, and he will be better than Clark next year. Regardless of talent level, Shamburger is older, more experienced, and more athletic.
How would you judge his talent/ability compared to Clark?
But, I can't really compete with your vague gut feelings about Clark being better than a 4.1 ppg and 2.1 apg player. You know, the stats don't show that, and I sure didn't see it on the court last year. Truthfully, Clark looked jumpy and erratic, prone to errors, and at least another year, if not 2, away from being a number 1 PG.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:35 pm to MIZ_STL
Yes, he was a freshman, you're right. But if you don't like the vague gut feelings, I'll stick with the hard numbers. Next year the team will average:
Shamburger 9.3
Biedscheid 6.2
Williams 5.8
Rosburg 4.8
Clark 4.1
Bello 2.4
Jones 2.1
Post 1.5
Rector .5
Feldman .4
So, removing all the vague bullshite, this team will average 37.1 points per game. Now my vague gut feeling tells me if we remove all vague gut feelings from the equation, that's going to make for a boring and frustrating year. How many games do you think we win total if we take away all the vague gut feelings and only go with the hard numbers and score 37.1 points per game?
Shamburger 9.3
Biedscheid 6.2
Williams 5.8
Rosburg 4.8
Clark 4.1
Bello 2.4
Jones 2.1
Post 1.5
Rector .5
Feldman .4
So, removing all the vague bullshite, this team will average 37.1 points per game. Now my vague gut feeling tells me if we remove all vague gut feelings from the equation, that's going to make for a boring and frustrating year. How many games do you think we win total if we take away all the vague gut feelings and only go with the hard numbers and score 37.1 points per game?
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:39 pm to MIZ_STL
quote:
Shamburger was better than Clark last year, and he will be better than Clark next year. Regardless of talent level, Shamburger is older, more experienced, and more athletic. But, I can't really compete with your vague gut feelings about Clark being better than a 4.1 ppg and 2.1 apg player. You know, the stats don't show that, and I sure didn't see it on the court last year. Truthfully, Clark looked jumpy and erratic, prone to errors, and at least another year, if not 2, away from being a number 1 PG.
Good lord. You haven't even watched but maybe 1 game of this Shamburger kid (and I'm being charitable). How did he do against the backcourt matador defense of Mizzou? 3-12. 0-3 from 3. And he fouled out in 28 minutes.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:48 pm to reedus23
Oh, looked it up. Hawaii is in the Big West. Looks like their quality opponents were St. Mary's, New Mexico State and I suppose Mizzou if we don't want to admit we weren't very good last year.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 8:56 pm to reedus23
Alright y'all. If you want to piss and moan about Shamburger, Mizzou, the 2013-2014 team, and next year's team, have at it. I'll stay out of the way.
In the future, the 37 points per game schtick would mean something concrete if you didn't completely ignore the fact that the returning players combined for maybe 30% of a full game's minutes. So, we'll triple that 37 number and we're up to 100+ points in a full game. Now we're both using that 37 number in a completely inappropriate manner, but at least I didn't get left behind.
In the future, the 37 points per game schtick would mean something concrete if you didn't completely ignore the fact that the returning players combined for maybe 30% of a full game's minutes. So, we'll triple that 37 number and we're up to 100+ points in a full game. Now we're both using that 37 number in a completely inappropriate manner, but at least I didn't get left behind.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:13 pm to MIZ_STL
quote:
Alright y'all. If you want to piss and moan about Shamburger, Mizzou, the 2013-2014 team, and next year's team, have at it. I'll stay out of the way.
I'm seriously not pissing and moaning. I also wouldn't be a bit surprised if Clark is a better PG than him next year and Shamburger is the backup.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:17 pm to the808bass
quote:Like I said, I'm staying out of the way, but I might still come around to laugh at shite like this.
I also wouldn't be a bit surprised if Clark is a better PG than him next year and Shamburger is the backup.
Let me guess. Printz is gonna beat out Mauk too.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:38 pm to MIZ_STL
quote:
Like I said, I'm staying out of the way, but I might still come around to laugh at shite like this.
Bookmark it. IDGAF.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:39 pm to the808bass
If Clark beats him out, that would be a good thing. It'd likely mean Clark learned to stop pounding the rock.
Shamburger as a secondary ball handler is a positive. Even if he's terrible, he offers at least a little bit of ball movement to a team that had absolutely none last year. Last year he was getting 0.77 assists per field goal attempt. His shooting numbers aren't great, but if he's not looking to shoot, he won't hurt them. His win shares per 40 minutes last season was actually higher than Clarkson's.
Shamburger as a secondary ball handler is a positive. Even if he's terrible, he offers at least a little bit of ball movement to a team that had absolutely none last year. Last year he was getting 0.77 assists per field goal attempt. His shooting numbers aren't great, but if he's not looking to shoot, he won't hurt them. His win shares per 40 minutes last season was actually higher than Clarkson's.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:40 pm to Cratebeast
quote:
If Clark beats him out, that would be a good thing. It'd likely mean Clark learned to stop pounding the rock.
I thought Clark deferred to Clarkson and Brown a lot last year. And it didn't help that we were running that high screen nonsense either. I think Clark may be the biggest beneficiary of the new Anderson offense, tbh. We shall see.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 9:52 pm to the808bass
quote:
I thought Clark deferred to Clarkson and Brown a lot last year. And it didn't help that we were running that high screen nonsense either. I think Clark may be the biggest beneficiary of the new Anderson offense, tbh. We shall see.
I totally agree with all that. I just think if Clark beats out Shamburger, I'll take it as an all around positive. The lack of multiple ball handlers has crushed this team the last couple years.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:36 pm to MIZ_STL
Brother, I ain't pissing and moaning about Shamburger. But I'm also not going to drop to my knees and praise him as the second coming. I might do that with Gant, but Shamburger is gonna have to show me he's Gant-like good.
Also, you can't just triple everyone's numbers because then you have 10 guys playing 3x's whatever they played to get their averages. Without looking it up, Clark for instance played over 20 minutes a game. Simply tripling his numbers would result in a game in excess of 60 minutes. I did break it down by points by minute and it is slightly better but still not great and certainly no where near 100 points. But even then, some assumptions have to be made that we don't know, such as how many minutes will Jones play per game next year. And Bello. And Post. And so on.
Also, you can't just triple everyone's numbers because then you have 10 guys playing 3x's whatever they played to get their averages. Without looking it up, Clark for instance played over 20 minutes a game. Simply tripling his numbers would result in a game in excess of 60 minutes. I did break it down by points by minute and it is slightly better but still not great and certainly no where near 100 points. But even then, some assumptions have to be made that we don't know, such as how many minutes will Jones play per game next year. And Bello. And Post. And so on.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:38 pm to the808bass
quote:
I'm seriously not pissing and moaning. I also wouldn't be a bit surprised if Clark is a better PG than him next year and Shamburger is the backup.
I'm starting to think Shamburger's mom posts on tRant. I seriously don't remember anyone saying the guy was shite. Maybe that he doesn't move the needle as far as excitement. Maybe that we'll wait and see. Apparently it's not enough love.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:39 pm to Cratebeast
quote:
If Clark beats him out, that would be a good thing. It'd likely mean Clark learned to stop pounding the rock.
Shamburger as a secondary ball handler is a positive. Even if he's terrible, he offers at least a little bit of ball movement to a team that had absolutely none last year. Last year he was getting 0.77 assists per field goal attempt. His shooting numbers aren't great, but if he's not looking to shoot, he won't hurt them. His win shares per 40 minutes last season was actually higher than Clarkson's.
Reasonable take.
Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:41 pm to the808bass
quote:
I thought Clark deferred to Clarkson and Brown a lot last year. And it didn't help that we were running that high screen nonsense either. I think Clark may be the biggest beneficiary of the new Anderson offense, tbh. We shall see.
I agree 808. To me, Clark just played like a freshman. Not all freshman are one and done talents. I thought I saw enough to think he's a player that was playing in a shitty system. I would say we shall see but apparently that comes off as bitching and moaning.
Page 26 of 85
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News