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re: 07 team v 13 team
Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:03 am to Wtodd
Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:03 am to Wtodd
Castine Bridges and Darnell Terrell couldn't handle DGB and Washington outside for 4 quarters without a lot of help leaving Brock Christopher alone on the seam with Marcus Lucas. With Brown and Moore away from the LOS, Franklin would have a lot of room to run with a break down because Spoon would have to account for Josey or Murphy.
Overall I think the skill group is a wash.
The real difference is the depth across the defensive line and interior offensive line play.
Hood and Williams were great college players but they were the only quality DTs MU had on the roster. Resonno and Hamilton were only Fr in 2007. There wasn't much behind Sulak and Chavis at DE either. That depth was exposed in both 4th qtrs vs OU.
MU's RBs averaged 1.9 YPC and 2.0 YPC in two games vs OU in 2007. Georgia was the only P-5 team to hold the 2013 to less than 4 YPC and MU won that game going away.
I'll take the 2013 team head to head.
Overall I think the skill group is a wash.
The real difference is the depth across the defensive line and interior offensive line play.
Hood and Williams were great college players but they were the only quality DTs MU had on the roster. Resonno and Hamilton were only Fr in 2007. There wasn't much behind Sulak and Chavis at DE either. That depth was exposed in both 4th qtrs vs OU.
MU's RBs averaged 1.9 YPC and 2.0 YPC in two games vs OU in 2007. Georgia was the only P-5 team to hold the 2013 to less than 4 YPC and MU won that game going away.
I'll take the 2013 team head to head.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 7:04 am
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:13 am to MIZ_COU
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WR - '07 - Not close again
I don't see how.
I don't get this one either. I'd take the '13s offense at every position but QB. I don't even think of '07 having the TEs that could catch because '13 just didn't need them with all the receivers they had.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:30 am to zatetic
Here's a partial list of the "receivers" from '07:
Alexander, Danario
Coffman, Chase
Maclin, Jeremy
Rucker, Martin
Saunders, Tommy
NO ONE on the '13 team were as good as any of these guys bc these guys caught the shite thrown to them.
Alexander, Danario
Coffman, Chase
Maclin, Jeremy
Rucker, Martin
Saunders, Tommy
NO ONE on the '13 team were as good as any of these guys bc these guys caught the shite thrown to them.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 9:16 am to Wtodd
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13 had Sasser, Hunt, DGB, L'Damian Washington, and Lucas.
I'm not saying 07 was bad. It was very good. I just think overall the 13 was preferably better. Height and speed of 13 surely makes it the better choice. I can't imagine a time that I'd be disappointed to have 07 receiver set. I just thought 13 was ridiculous with the physical attributes. There were some games in 2013, like Kentucky, where there was just no hope for the defenders and all that was happening was jump balls.
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NO ONE on the '13 team were as good as any of these guys bc these guys caught the shite thrown to them.
07 QB was far better than 13. 07 receivers never had shite thrown to them and 13 wouldn't have shite thrown at them if they had Chase.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:00 am to zatetic
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Height and speed of 13 surely makes it the better choice.
Agree on the physical parts but the number of drops and fumbles overshadow this
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:03 am to zatetic
another odd way to look at it
2013- auburn lost by 3 in the Natty
2007- OU lost by 20 in the fiesta bowl.
The 2013 team was better than 07, and was a lot closer to be a national champion.
Not that any thing I said matters, just saying.
2013- auburn lost by 3 in the Natty
2007- OU lost by 20 in the fiesta bowl.
The 2013 team was better than 07, and was a lot closer to be a national champion.
Not that any thing I said matters, just saying.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:14 am to zatetic
Anyone who thinks that the 07 WR/TE Corps wasn't far superior than 13 needs to get their head examined by a doctor.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:21 am to TigerCruise
It was better, but the 13 team was no slouch. DGB, Washington, Lucas, Sasser and Hunt
All of those guys at least spent time in a NFL camp.
All of those guys at least spent time in a NFL camp.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:28 am to JesusQuintana
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DGB
Easily the most disappointing; should be better than Megatron but isn't as good as Moe.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 11:34 am to JesusQuintana
Almost all of the 07 players played ON NFL teams
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:06 pm to TigerCruise
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Anyone who thinks that the 07 WR/TE Corps wasn't far superior than 13 needs to get their head examined by a doctor.
lol. Whut? And why?
The top 5 leading pass catchers in 07 where:
J-Mac: 80/1055 9TDs
Rucker: 84/834 8 TDs
Franklin: 49/709 2TDs
Coffman: 52/531 7TDs
DX: 37/417 2TDs
The leading reception/yards average was J-Mac at 13.2
In 2013, we had:
LdWash: 50/893 10TDs
DGB: 59/883 12 TDs
Lucas: 68/692 3 TDs
Sasser: 26/361 TD
Hunt: 22/253 1 TD
Most of the disparity comes from throwing the ball 128 fewer times. Also, lesser accurate QBs in 2013.
But as far as explosive plays goes, 2013 had the better unit. They did more with fewer catches. We had the 3 towers at WR who were mean arse blockers. The 07' DBs would get absolutely shredded.
It's even. And I may even give the edge to 13' for deep speed.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:12 pm to Athos
The 07 team could score from anywhere on the field.
Talent wise it's not even close.
Maclin/Rucker/Coffman/DX all played on NFL teams.
Lucas/Sasser/Hunt wouldn't have seen the field on the 07 team.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:21 pm to Athos
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It's even. And I may even give the edge to 13' for deep speed.
13 had the better OL and was better at RB.
07 was better at QB and WR.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:35 pm to TigerCruise
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The 07 team could score from anywhere on the field.
Talent wise it's not even close.
Maclin/Rucker/Coffman/DX all played on NFL teams.
Lucas/Sasser/Hunt wouldn't have seen the field on the 07 team.
DX and Maclin are the ONLY players with any meaningful NFL stats. Do you even NFL? Rucker has a grand total of 2 REC for 17 yards in his career. Coffman, and I love him, has 18 career receptions and 177 yards.
If being drafted into the NFL is your barometer, you chose poorly mate. Not to mention we're talking collegiate success, not NFL success. Even Tebow still boasts more success than Daniel and it's not even close.
Lucas>Saunders/Franklin
And people seem to forget that DX wasn't even DX until Gabbert was throwing him the ball. Pair each WR-corps with the same QB and the numbers will even out. DGB, even as raw and often poor as he was at routes, would probably have 15+ TDs with Chase throwing him the ball.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:41 pm to Athos
DX was actually better than Maclin at the beginning of that season. He had a huge first half against Illinois, before getting hurt.
Had his knees held up Mizzou might have played for the title that year.
Had his knees held up Mizzou might have played for the title that year.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:44 pm to wubilli
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DX was actually better than Maclin at the beginning of that season. He had a huge first half against Illinois, before getting hurt.
Had his knees held up Mizzou might have played for the title that year.
Kinda my point. DX didn't make it through the season, so honestly, you can't even use him in a discussion between 07 and 13.
There's no arguing DX was world class WR talent trapped in a terrible body. Had his knees been healthy, he'd still be in the NFL and would be a perennial 1000 yard WR with 8+ TDs year in and year out. That's not the case in debating 07 and 13' though.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:46 pm to Athos
Both offenses scored 39 PPG and were just shy of 500 YPG in total offense. The CFBstats data base doesn't have the 2007 stats anymore but the 2013 team was 9th in the country with 253 long scrimmage plays. Both were elite units.
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:25 pm to Athos
I was simply responding to the "a few of the 13 guys got into NFL camps".
DX and Maclin are better WRs
Coffman and Rucker TEs
It's not even close talent wise. There were a lot of good WRs on that 13 team but none of them had all of the tools like the squad from 07. Let's remember their QB was only 5'10
DX and Maclin are better WRs
Coffman and Rucker TEs
It's not even close talent wise. There were a lot of good WRs on that 13 team but none of them had all of the tools like the squad from 07. Let's remember their QB was only 5'10
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:30 pm to TigerCruise
07 was better as I've said, but it's closer than you are making it out to be.
Maclin is the only one to have a significant NFL career. DGB would have had the same if he wasn't a complete dipshit.
Maclin is the only one to have a significant NFL career. DGB would have had the same if he wasn't a complete dipshit.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 8/3/17 at 2:51 pm to JesusQuintana
Ya 07 wr/qb was miles ahead of 13. But 13 was more sounds on defense and RB.
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