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Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:13 pm to montanagator
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:13 pm to montanagator
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that Ref should be suspended
Why does this shite always seem to happen in the Tennessee game?
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Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:14 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Florida State too.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:23 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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Be worried... be very, very worried. This offense is so poor
It's so weird that Muschamp who had infinitely worse numbers was given four years, but we can't even give Mac one and a half. The offense is better in every category, and the problem is not Mac's recruiting or style, it's that the coach before didn't recruit jack dick nothing.
We had mediocre receivers, running backs, a terribly underrecruited line and no quarterbacks -- with a 50/50 kicker from the 20. He can't just come in and plug in a new quarterback, then the backup to the new quarterback and be impeccable.
Appleby looked good, Del Rio looks good. But we don't know anything about anyone because it's
THE FOURTH GAME OF THE YEAR.
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People are blaming Treon. Well who kept putting Treon and our horrible kicker back in the games?
Who the frick would we put after Treon?
And he did bring in a new kicker, a walkon because THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE.
You guys have no idea how incredibly stupid you guys look.
So let's go back to the quarterbacks. Who you puttin' in?
Grady? He has, in 4 years 15 passes total.
Who, Jacob Guy? He's a walkon. He has no statistics reported, meaning he's never played before.
Who you puttin' in, Lyfe? I really wanna know what quarterback is going in after Treon.
fricking crazy.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:26 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
My worry is that he's essentially trying to build a Bama level program modeled on what Saban did without Bama level recruiting. If you're going to run a traditional offense and compete for a national title you pretty much have to either play tons of inferior competition (Michigan State) or have consistent Top 5 recruiting- FSU, prime USC, Alabama, etc-- seriously find a team in the last 10 years that didn't run a spread and/or hurry up system that competes for national titles without being at worst Top 5 every single year in recruiting.
Conventional Offense Teams that ended the year in the Regular Season top 5 since 2005 that weren't consistent top 5 recruiting teams(BCS + Playoff Era):
Virginia Tech (once)
Michigan (once)
Stanford (three times- twice with Andrew Luck)
Michigan State (three times)
So basically over a decade the only teams to do what McElwain is trying to do- more than once- are Stanford and Michigan State-- both of which play in conferences with substantially less competing talent and one of which had the #1 draft pick.
It gets even worse if we make it teams with conventional offenses that played for a national title and didn't consistently bring in top 5 classes:
0, the only teams to play for a title with conventional offenses (Bama, FSU, OSU under Tressel and LSU) all dominated recruiting
Simply put-- if you recruit like Jim McElwain recruits you essentially have to play a spread or hurry up system if you want to win a title.
Conventional Offense Teams that ended the year in the Regular Season top 5 since 2005 that weren't consistent top 5 recruiting teams(BCS + Playoff Era):
Virginia Tech (once)
Michigan (once)
Stanford (three times- twice with Andrew Luck)
Michigan State (three times)
So basically over a decade the only teams to do what McElwain is trying to do- more than once- are Stanford and Michigan State-- both of which play in conferences with substantially less competing talent and one of which had the #1 draft pick.
It gets even worse if we make it teams with conventional offenses that played for a national title and didn't consistently bring in top 5 classes:
0, the only teams to play for a title with conventional offenses (Bama, FSU, OSU under Tressel and LSU) all dominated recruiting
Simply put-- if you recruit like Jim McElwain recruits you essentially have to play a spread or hurry up system if you want to win a title.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 6:34 pm to montanagator
Mac is not running a traditional offense at all.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 8:44 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Muschamp who had infinitely worse numbers was given four years, but we can't even give Mac one and a half.
Muschamp should have been given 2 and then shown the door. Foley screwed the pooch in hiring him and then was so pig headed, praying he could turn chicken shite into chicken salad that he ruined the program. UF was at the highest level of football and Foley brought in a guy who lacked the experience. What does he do here? The exact same thing. Trying to find lightning in a bottle.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:01 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
What quarterback would you have used after Harris?
What kicker?
What kicker?
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:14 pm to reel_gator8
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I know Foley messed up with Donovan...WTH was he thinking?
I appreciate Foley for his work and he has done an awesome job as an AD but that does not mean he didn't have any missteps. Foley was totally blindsided when Kruger left. He had no clue that Kruger felt that basketball could never be as strong as the football program. Foley had no plan B. He had no coaches on speed dial when Kruger quit. He had to scramble, talking to any and everybody and got VERY lucky with Billy. Who knew Billy would be successful? He was a reach just like Champ and McElwain are reaches. Billy had a shaky first 2 years BUT he was a relentless recruiter. Combine that with Foley opening up the pocket book (probably because he was snubbed by Kruger and wanted to one up him) UF was able to build a quality basketball program. I still think we didn't take full advantage of UF basketball. We should be a true blue blood now but we are not. We can talk about that another day.
Foley got lucky with Billy. It was not planned out, it was at the last minute. The word around town was that Billy would be "Foley's Folly". Fortunately BD took the job because Pitino told him not to. Then BD leaves and Foley reaches for another young coach with not a lot of experience. I like Mike White, I like McElwain. I'm not convinced either can get the job done. Stop reaching for guys on their 1st stint. Get guys that have been proven in at least a couple of different places.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 9:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What quarterback would you have used after Harris? What kicker?
That's not MY JOB. That's why he's the damn coach. And as the HC of the University of Florida, you ought to be damned shame of yourself if you cannot find someone, anyone that can kick a damn FG. We have HS kids here in Houston that routinely make 45 yard FGs. He didn't know coming in the damn door that Harding (I call him Tonya Harding) sucked monkey nuts? Hardin was 4 for 12 (33%) in 2013, 7-10 in 2014. Anything over 40 yards he sucked. Are you telling me Gomer Pyle didn't see that? Hardin was 5-14 (35.7%) in 2015. I don't blame hardin. I blame McElwain for continuing to put this kid in a position to fail.
Then he had tryouts. What the hell for? You can't find a quality kicker in tryouts? Are you kidding me? You can't find a Vince "Invincible" Papale bartending in a local club? You can't get a guy from a community college? Come on man.
Then Treon... There were times where people in this forum thought Treon was losing on purpose. Why not just run the wing T, triple option, Wildcat, whatever. Why keep putting him in positions to fail? Why not let him throw quick slants (which we never, ever did), a simple screen, what have you. If he can't make a 10 yard pass, get someone on defense and turn them into a QB. The last 4 games of the year were atrocious. Mc put out a terrible product on the field. Totally embarrassing. Zero improvement. And with each beat down, the Sunshine Pumpers kept making excuses like Lemmings. We'll win next game. We'll be prepared next game. We'll compete with Michigan with Mc having time to prepare. What did he do? The exact same fukkin thing. Trotting out a subpar team. That alone is why I know he's not the one. Show me some improvement, do something different. The dude has to be insane to keep getting his teeth kicked in.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:39 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
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C of the University of Florida, you ought to be damned shame of yourself if you cannot find someone, anyone that can kick a damn FG.
Bro, high quality kickers are really hard to find. They don't just grow on trees and Mac did hold open tryouts -- they even had a girl show up.
You know whose job it was to recruit a kicker? Muschamp.
You know who didn't recruit a kicker? Muschamp.
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Then Treon... There were times where people in this forum thought Treon was losing on purpose. Why not just run the wing T, triple option, Wildcat, whatever.
Because running it every down is really, really hard with someone who has never ran it. Triple Option is no joke, coaches who are experts in it take a few years to apply it and it's almost impossible to master in a week after your best (and only) quarterback goes down.
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Zero improvement.
Really, you don't think the team has improved since Treon left? Let's look at the numbers.
58th points for.
----------- Last year.
100th points for.
So, somewhere in there. You're full of shite.
Posted on 9/28/16 at 10:55 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Mac is not running a traditional offense at all.
Yeah, I agree.
What do people think traditional means? Not having a running QB? Cos Mac runs a passing spread offense with a power run game. Think Bobby P.
Help, Mac brought a lot of innovative spread stuff to Bama while he was there, but people didn't realize cos Saban made him run it so much. He definitely wants to be more 50/50 here
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:35 am to BasedGator
I wont lie, I'll be pissed if Grier kills it at WVU next year in that Holgerson Air Raid
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:36 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Really, you don't think the team has improved since Treon left? Let's look at the numbers. 58th points for. ----------- Last year. 100th points for.
You sure know how to cherry pick stats don't you? Last year 4 games in the offense scored 134 points. This year they've scored 129. What improvement are you seeing? Oh, your looking at the entire year last year when we started playing teams with a fukkin pulse. Then you better wait until the end of the season before you start jumping up and down, creaming your pants over this ugly arse offense.
Your entire post is one big fat excuse train. You sound like McElwain's mother or agent.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:43 am to BasedGator
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Yeah, I agree.
What do people think traditional means? Not having a running QB? Cos Mac runs a passing spread offense with a power run game. Think Bobby P.
Help, Mac brought a lot of innovative spread stuff to Bama while he was there, but people didn't realize cos Saban made him run it so much. He definitely wants to be more 50/50 here
I was about to say, he doesn't run a ''pro-style'' so to speak, in fact I don't even know the name of our Full-Back if we have one.
What we have is a bunch of dudes who have no idea what they're talking about regarding football.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:46 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Coming off a loss, this Sat will tell alot how this team is made vs a beatable opponent
Posted on 9/29/16 at 2:11 am to GatorNation4Lyfe
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You sure know how to cherry pick stats don't you? Last year 4 games in the offense scored 134 points. This year they've scored 129. What improvement are you seeing? Oh, your looking at the entire year last year when we started playing teams with a fukkin pulse. Then you better wait until the end of the season before you start jumping up and down, creaming your pants over this ugly arse offense.
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Really, you don't think the team has improved since Treon left? Let's look at the numbers. 58th points for. ----------- Last year. 100th points for.
How many of those games did Treon start?
Also, 61 points came from the first game out of 134. UMass is better, we blanked North Texas and only beat Kentucky 14 to 9 last year.
We beat them 45 - 7 this year.
Seriously, man, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:07 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What quarterback would you have used after Harris?
What kicker?
I would have thought about adapting the offense to Harris a bit- Meyer certainly ran a different scheme with Chris Leak after he realized he needed to change - - Mac essentially admitted he was throwing away the year to build for the future.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 12:10 pm to BasedGator
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What do people think traditional means? Not having a running QB? Cos Mac runs a passing spread offense with a power run game. Think Bobby P.
Mac isn't on the level of Bobby P, a better person certainly but nowhere near the coach.
Posted on 9/29/16 at 1:48 pm to GatorNation4Lyfe
Posted on 9/29/16 at 4:14 pm to montanagator
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I would have thought about adapting the offense to Harris a bit- Meyer certainly ran a different scheme with Chris Leak after he realized he needed to change - - Mac essentially admitted he was throwing away the year to build for the future.
So how? Run the option offense with our only quarterback who can actually pass the ball? The other two, combined, had 12 passes between them their entire collegiate careers. Outside of running the wildcat every down, using Treon like that would have been about worthless.
He came into a program with two quarterbacks and like 9 offensive lineman (as opposed to the 20 that are usually on premier teams).
Can't expect him to make a shite sandwich edible no matter how much seasoning you put on it.
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